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Joe Sanok 00:00:54  Practice of the practice podcast with Joe Sarna session number 1179. I'm Joe, Santa's co-host, and welcome to the practice of the Practice podcast, where we help you build a thriving private practice you absolutely love. We want you to thrive.

Joe Sanok 00:01:14  We want you to do well financially, that you've got your logistics and operations and all those things put together correctly. But we also want you to love it. Sometimes we can focus so much on the business side that we lose sight of why we even went into therapy, or we dig into the why we love therapy side so much that we forget about the business side. So we want to help you with both sides of the equation for running a practice. So I'm so excited to hang out with you guys today. You know, I have, identified as an extrovert. you know, since I kind of learned that that word, you know, when I think about how I get energy, oftentimes it's talking to people. I mean, clearly, like, you know, I do this 5 to 10, you know, hours a week, of just interviewing people. And I just love it. I follow my curiosity. it's always been like that. I've often said that, you know, almost every single report card from elementary school, said Joey talks to his neighbors too much.

Joe Sanok 00:02:05  But this weekend, I went to an improv retreat. And many of you know that I've been involved with improv since probably 2018. and we brought this lady from LA into Northern Michigan. She taught 19 of us. she's been on, like, Bob's Burgers and Modern Family and Parks and Rec and just this really talented woman. and, you know, we're doing tons of improv, tons of talking. And on the last day, we had a break and everyone's still chit chatting, and I went outside and just realized, like, I had had enough with talking. Like I had been doing improv and catching up with people and just living with these people for a weekend. And I hit my max, and I feel like I finally had a little bit of a glimpse into, like my partner Claire, her. She's a highly sensitive person. And, you know, sometimes my daughter's just like it's too loud in this house. And we have a very kind of open concept house, which, you know, as I look at more, I'm like, I kind of kind of like how 60s houses were kind of separated out.

Joe Sanok 00:03:02  There would be a little quieter here, but it feels like I just barely am kind of dipping my toes more into seeing the world through, you know, just a little different set of eyes. and I say that because we have a really amazing therapist with us here today. April Snow is an LLM, Ft and is a licensed psychotherapist, author, consultant and podcast host in the San Francisco Bay Area of California. She specializes in working with highly sensitive people to help calm the storm of overwhelm, anxiety, and self-doubt to allow their innate, sensitive strengths to shine through. Deeply committed to changing the narrative of what it means to be highly sensitive, April has created and led HSP workshops all over the country, as well as online through her sensitive school. In addition to Find Your Strength workbook for the Highly Sensitive Person, she's written Mindfulness Workbook for Stress Relief and the Empowered Highly Sensitive Person Self-care Journal. April. Welcome to the practice of the Practice podcast.

April Snow  00:04:01  Thank you so much. I'm so excited to have you here.

Joe Sanok 00:04:04  I cannot agree more. I'm so excited to have you here as well. And mostly just because I want to pick your brain about highly sensitive people and apply it to my life, and people can listen in.

April Snow  00:04:15  I love that and I loved your your personal share, and that you're starting to see how sensitivity is showing up in your own life with your your family.

Joe Sanok 00:04:23  Yeah. Well, even just looking at, you know, my partner and, you know, having these discussions around, you know, she doesn't live with me and my girls yet. And that's the conversation we've been having. And, you know, she with her therapist has talked through, well, like, what would I need in that life? You know, she doesn't have kids. She's got a dog. She can go back to her cute little cottage on the water. It's like, why would you leave that? Especially on the HSP?

April Snow  00:04:48  Exactly.

Joe Sanok 00:04:48  And so we'll get into all that. But I want to just start with, tell us about how you got into the work of working with sensitive people.

April Snow  00:04:57  Sure. So it was definitely started as a personal journey as a lot of our work as therapists. I was in graduate school and I was doing a research project on introversion and attachment, trying to find more about myself and why I see the world the way I do. And I was out to lunch with a classmate and they said, have you heard about this trait, high sensitivity? Have you heard of Doctor Elaine Aron's work? She's the person that kind of kicked all this off. And I said, no, I haven't. Tell me more. And it just started from there, and I immersed myself. Right. All the books. Thankfully, Elaine Aaron is in the Bay area with me, and I went to workshops and dug into the research and I realized I need to specialize in supporting HSP because this is what I needed to know in my own life, because it really does. When you're highly sensitive, it touches every part of your life, right? It's the lens you see the world through.

April Snow  00:05:42  It's how your nervous system works. And so I just really have immersed myself ever since over the past decade. And it's been incredibly meaningful work.

Joe Sanok 00:05:53  So awesome. So, so then let's kind of talk about some of those general terms, just to make sure the listeners are on the same page. You know, we may have heard these terms on Instagram or TikTok or just people in conversation saying, HSP, what do we need to undo? Like what are misconceptions? Yes. And then what do we need to retrain people to kind of think about, understand and like rebuild that. So like let's tear it down and then let's rebuild it.

April Snow  00:06:19  Oh I love that. Okay. So misconceptions when we hear the word sensitive of course we think about folks that are hypersensitive, maybe emotionally sensitive, who have gone through trauma, who are dysregulated. And that's what we associate with high sensitivity. But there are actually two different things we have sensitive. But then we have the trait of high sensitivity, which is otherwise known as sensory processing sensitivity.

April Snow  00:06:39  And the research. And so we need to understand that sensitive people are actually were really productive and creative and empathetic and insightful when we're regulated. But what we often see is the dysregulated HSP in the world. Those are showing up more loudly. And what we had a stereotype in HSP to be. But 30% of people in the world are highly sensitive or born with this trait, and we don't notice most of them. They blend in there leading really well balanced, productive lives. It's just the highly sensitive folks who have been through trauma who are chronically stressed or dysregulated that we see them most. So that's the misconception, right, that we're equating high sensitivity with hypersensitivity.

Joe Sanok 00:07:26  Yeah. What other misconceptions should we should we drill into first.

April Snow  00:07:30  Yeah, absolutely. Well you touched on being an extrovert. I think we assume that high sensitivity is the same as introversion. It's not 30% of HSP are extroverted. And so they have to kind of balance that need for more social stimulation novelty with, you know, being more easily overwhelmed or overstimulated because we're so perceptive and empathetic.

April Snow  00:07:53  also, we assume that only women can be sensitive. Also not true. And you see sensitivity equally in folks of all genders, because we need sensitive folks in those different realms. what else we think of high sensitivity as a mental health issue? It's not it's a temperament trait. It's something you're born with. And there's an if you think about it, at the core, there's an evolutionary advantage to having people in your population that notice little details, notice the dangers, remember what foods are safe to eat or not, who notice when folks need something emotionally, who notice the subtle body language or the nuances which make HSP great therapists, among other careers. So there's actually a lot of gifts that sensitive people bring to the world. We just don't notice them. We notice when HSP is are bothering us, right? Like, oh, they're so sensitive. They're so emotional, they're so needy. They're, you know, so reactive. But really the sensitive folks of the people who are the most empathetic, justice minded, intuitive problem solvers, big thinkers.

April Snow  00:08:56  So we often get just the trait itself wrong. We think of it as a mental health issue, a weakness when it's actually a gift that can balance out the less sensitive folks, the more extroverted folks in our society we need. We need all that. Right. at the table.

Joe Sanok 00:09:12  Yeah. So what are what are some ways or what are some things that we really need to kind of understand in regards to more sensitive people? like, what are the, I don't know, five pillars that you wish every therapist knew or, kind of the big picture. Just make sure we're on the same page.

April Snow  00:09:29  Yeah, I would think about the HSP experience in the world. So being highly sensitive, you know, the core of the trait is something called depth of processing, which it's not the emotional sensitivity which we are more emotional, we are more empathetic. Naturally, we have more active mirror neurons. The emotional centers of our brains are more active, but also the emotional processing center or the information processing centers are also more active.

April Snow  00:09:52  So we tend to need more time to pause, to reflect, to move from one thing to the next, to make decisions. So that can often be misperceived. And even just when you're sitting with a client in session, how can you support them in that? How can you help them settle in? How can you give them space to process in the session, whether that's doing a creative activity, whether that's letting them journal for a moment, whether that's slowing them down and helping them think through something before moving on to the next piece and then helping them regulate their nervous systems. Right. We need that, those tools to help us understand the impact of overstimulation. And because we are more impacted at a subtle level. So there's this piece, this piece of sensitivity called differential susceptibility, which essentially means we're more impacted by the negative, but we're also more impacted by the positive. So can we help regulate, but also can we help amp up the things that positively influence us? I like to talk about meaningful self-care.

April Snow  00:10:51  Like what do you do that lights you out that, you know, really fuels you. And are you doing that on a regular basis? So we need time to kind of fill our cups, but also to empty out all the emotions and the information that we're absorbing throughout our day to day experience. So it's really just tuning in, making sure HSP are able to be kind of in their natural rhythm of taking time to notice, to process, to digest, to regulate. Yeah, there's so much I could say.

Joe Sanok 00:11:17  Well, and I think that, you know, when you look at just our general society, how hard that can be, because it's like you're just being an adult takes just like, you know, I'm a single dad. Have, you know, primary, custody of my kids. And it's like just all there is in a day to do. Yeah. And I don't have high sensitivity. it just feels overwhelming. And so then it's like, then on top of that, to say, maybe I need to to work less.

Joe Sanok 00:11:41  Maybe I need to have more downtime. Maybe I need to not have as much social time. Maybe I need to go to yoga two times a week or meditate or whatever the things are to feel really balanced, and then it's like, well, then that person may have to be working fewer hours, so they're making less money. And then it's like all the narratives of productivity, like, I mean, it just feels like it becomes a jumble pretty quickly.

April Snow  00:12:01  So it really does, doesn't it? Yeah. Go ahead and yeah. And I think you made a good point that even the non HSP are more overstimulated and overwhelmed these days. Right. There's a lot coming at us, whether it be work or family responsibilities or social media or just all the input that we're taking in. It's a lot to process. And when you're more when you're highly sensitive, you know, you're you're noticing everything at such a subtle level and you're more impacted. So we do need kind of a less is more quality over quantity approach to life.

April Snow  00:12:35  And it can be hard. You know HSP is really struggle with that. You know, because we want to make sure everything everyone else is okay, because when others are disappointed or upset, we're disappointed or upset. We feel that. So we can often we often stretch ourselves way beyond our limits. And guilt is something that a lot of HSP struggle with because of that. You know, I see a direct correlation with guilt and empathy. The more empathetic you are, the more guilt you deal with, and it gets in the way of setting boundaries and taking care of yourself and saying no to more work or to more social time. Or maybe, you know, seeing family less, but actually enjoying the experience more. It's tough, right? You want to keep up with everyone else, but we're not wired like everyone else. We really need to look inward. I'm always reminding my clients turn the dial back in or look at your own compass. Do not look outward to make decisions about how to live your life.

April Snow  00:13:27  And of course, you know, we still need to go to work and we still want to be in our relationships. Relationships are incredibly meaningful to us, but we do need to do less of it and have more sleep, have more processing and reflection time. More downtime. Have more time for self-care. It's hard being an HSP in a busy, overstimulated world. For sure. I won't minimize that, but when we take good care of ourselves, we can show up fully. It just looks a little differently.

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April Snow  00:15:33  Yes. You know, a lot of times we we don't understand the HSP experience and it could be HSP or not.

April Snow  00:15:41  I think we need a lot more space. So can we take just a breath before eating breakfast and running out the door? Right. Can there just be 30s of transition time, like, okay, it's going to get up from the table slowly. I'm going to take a moment to sit and then put my shoes on versus like, go, go, go go, go. And I know it's hard, right? There's so much going on and so many moving pieces, especially if you have multiple children and everyone's got a different schedule and timeline and set of needs. But if we can just have a little bit of space somewhere, and, you know, maybe that could be a family activity. Okay. After dinner, we all take 30 minutes to read or to watch something, or to do a puzzle or to do an activity. You know, just kind of building in that self-care time can be really important, that quiet space to normalize that. It's okay to need some space for yourself. And it can be really hard if you're an HSP kiddo in a highly extroverted, maybe high sensation seeking, very busy family can you can feel really like an outsider.

April Snow  00:16:40  So can we normalize some of that and also validation, you know, when you're not highly sensitive, it's so hard to understand the lived experience of an HSP who is feeling so incredibly deeply over everything. Not just the highs, not just the lows, but also the highs. And, you know, you might like, why are you so excited about this? This, you know, why are you so into this, you know, activity or, interests, or why are you so upset about this little thing? You know that your shoes dirty or that, you know, someone looked at you this way or. Oh, I'm speaking a normal tone, but you think I'm yelling? It's sweet. We perceive everything at such a different volume, and so having a little bit of validation for that like, oh, this must be hard. I see that you're struggling. I can go a long way because I see adults in my practice every week who have are still carrying the burden of those misperceptions as adults, you know, constantly being told your experience is not right, it's not accurate.

April Snow  00:17:39  And you're overexaggerating and that self-doubt, it seeds in so deeply and it's so hard to undo and it's so hard to then trust yourself when you are having a different experience, because your nervous system and your brain is wired differently than 70% of the population. So having some space, having a little bit of understanding, just trying to enter into those, those worlds that you live with and being curious and not making any assumptions.

Joe Sanok 00:18:08  In April, if you were to kind of take that in and apply it to couples. So what do effective couples that have one person that's highly sensitive and one that's not? What do effective couples do to have the best relationship and to honor kind of both of their differences?

April Snow  00:18:24  Yeah, I think it's understanding that you make a great pair. Having an HSP, an anonymous anonymously is a great compliment, because then you have the person who is noticing the little details, who's being the emotional leader in the relationship is being more empathetic, who's taking care of like, oh, the gift giving and just the little nuances and making the house feel beautiful and special.

April Snow  00:18:46  And then you have the other one who's a little bit more ready to just make the quick decision, take quick action, kind of be more outward facing. So there's a I really I would hope that you are able to see what each brings to the table and that how you kind of fill in each other's gaps. Right? And just having respect and reverence for what you each bring and not saying, well, you don't do this or you don't do that, but saying, oh, thank you for taking care of that and really noticing, because a lot of times I have HSP in my practice who just feel really underappreciated in the relationship and like, oh, I'm really making sure that the house is beautiful when we have guests over or I'm taking care of these little details or, you know, making sure holidays and birthdays feel special or I'm really there when my partner's going through an emotionally difficult time, or I'm anticipating their needs before they even know they need it. And because we can kind of tune in to those little, subtle body language or like details.

April Snow  00:19:44  and then also for the HSP partner to understand like, oh, your partner really is driving you, right? Maybe getting you out to do more to be more adventurous, who's kind of filling in the gaps when maybe you're having a really hard day and you've been overwhelmed for a long time? So there's I mean, it makes such a great team. So I just hope that folks can really appreciate that in each other.

Joe Sanok 00:20:06  Yeah. And how do couples, manage the dynamic that I think is frequent of maybe the, the non highly sensitive person kind of saying, well, this is what's normal in the world. And then the sensitive person being like, but this is my reality. And like I mean that seems like a tightrope walk for any couple to have any difference of opinion. but but like how how do effective couples manage that.

April Snow  00:20:29  Yeah. It is a tightrope walk, isn't it, to kind of enter into each other's world, I think staying curious. Right. And I like to use a lot of analogies like if you're so let's say the non HSP partner can understand that you feel easily overstimulated.

April Snow  00:20:44  Take an example where they feel overstimulated and then just help them. Bring them into your world. When you feel this at work, when this is happening, that's how I feel every day, or that's how I feel at a much lesser level and just help them understand your world. And the opposite can be true also, because sometimes the non HSP partner can feel held back when the HSP partner needs more time at home or needs things to go a little bit more slowly. So just understanding that we each have different needs, and can we have some permission to each go our own way a little bit of the time. Right. We want to have that shared experience. Of course, that's such an important foundation for couples, but also can we meet our needs separately as well? I think there has to be some room for that, because your HSP partner is not always going to be able to keep up with you. They're going to need more downtime. They're going to need more sleep. They're going to need more time for reflection.

April Snow  00:21:38  And the non HSP partner is going to need more excitement and socializing and novelty. So we might need to go our own kind of meet our own needs and then come back together more than another couple would need to do. And that's okay. Right?

Joe Sanok 00:21:52  Yeah. Now I want to shift to the therapists out there that identify as HSBC's. so tell me a little bit more about maybe what they haven't been taught. Maybe we need to do some kind of permission giving. and then how to kind of optimize their practice, around being highly sensitive. Yeah.

April Snow  00:22:13  It's true that we often haven't given been given the permissions. We need a sensitive therapist. And again, we're trying to keep up, you know, see 5 to 7 clients a day, work five days a week, plus do the networking and, you know, be on social media and do all the things. And we really have to give ourselves permission to again turn that, you know, focus back inward. Ask yourself, what do I need? What does my practice look like? Ideally.

April Snow  00:22:39  And that will probably mean seeing fewer clients or spacing your sessions out more, or maybe doing more kind of introvert friendly marketing. So for me, I I've done really well showing up on social media and writing blogs and books, and I have done less networking. Or I'm meeting folks 1 to 1 versus going to big events. so what works for you? We really need permission for that, that there's many ways to be a therapist. there's many ways to set up a practice. There's many ways to market yourself. Especially today. We have so many options, as I know, you know, and the therapist that you work with. So really optimize the practice based on your own needs. Look inward. How do you want to work? When do you want to work? Who do you want to work with? Where do you want to work? These are all questions to ask and check in with yourself and ask yourself, what do I need? Not what are all the other therapists in my area or my network doing? It's really important.

Joe Sanok 00:23:34  Yeah, I think that I mean, that's true of even non HSP therapists. Absolutely. In particular, like when I look at my schedule, you know, I want to walk my daughters to school every morning. My my sister lives in the same neighborhood, so we walk with the nieces. So that means the earliest I will ever work on a school day is 930. And I want to walk down. I want to pick them up every day. So that means the latest that I will work if I'm going to be running to the school is 345, I'd rather be three 330. So that then determines when I work. And so if someone's like, hey, can you do a 7 p.m. podcast interview? Unless it's an opportunity that I'm like, yeah, I definitely need that person on the show, or I definitely need to be on that show, it's probably going to be a no. And so, yeah, I think that, you know, starting to work towards like just what is your ideal practice? is really is really helpful for, for highly sensitive therapists.

Joe Sanok 00:24:28  what are other things like in regards to like I think about like the pace I did when I own my counseling practice. I was just like, I want to get out of here. I don't want to, like, waste any time. And so I did like sessions on the 45 minutes. And then I would take like a 15 minute break every three sessions. So it was like insane, like total sprint. That's still how I work, where it's like, if I'm going to work, I want to work. Yes. For most therapists that are highly sensitive, what are their schedules look like?

April Snow  00:24:53  Yeah. And I appreciate you knowing that about yourself. Right. A lot of therapists like that momentum. And to have that condensed version of a schedule so you have more time. But you're right that it's important to think about what works for me. And so for a lot of sense of therapists and this isn't always practical, but 10 to 12 sessions a week is the sweet spot for us. And for the last decade, that is the most popular answer when I poll highly sensitive therapists 10 or 12 sessions a week with 15 to 30 minutes between sessions.

April Snow  00:25:25  Now there will be highly sensitive therapists who are more extroverted, who who are more high sensation seeking or that just doesn't that just doesn't work. They're going to be more likely where they want some momentum, but then there will be need to be a counterbalance of time at the end of the week or on the weekend where they really get to recharge. But generally speaking, 10 to 12 sessions a week. Private pay with 15 to 30 minutes with a day off, probably at the end of the week, is going to be ideal because you need.

Joe Sanok 00:25:53  To just run those numbers. If we just say like 12 sessions a week, times say 48 weeks a year, that's 576 sessions. If you want to grow, say, 100,000 divided by five, 76, you know, you have to be charging at least $173.61. So that's right. That's like and that's 100,000 gross. You know, if you take off taxes and expenses, you might be doing like 60 grand. And so then that's where a lot of those kind of things around the practice.

Joe Sanok 00:26:22  Well, you know, who am I attracting. If I'm a highly sensitive therapist, you know, how do you market to that community? How do you make sure that you differentiate yourself and how do you I mean, if you're a private pay doing 12 sessions a week, what are things that therapists can be doing to to make that achievable?

April Snow  00:26:41  Yeah, I think there's there's a few pieces here. One is definitely you want to have a niche and you want to really define yourself. That has been such a game changer for me. Initially, I became well known even before I was licensed in my niche around high sensitivity. So my practice was just hit the ground running once I got my license. And so I really think being known for something specific is really helpful, because then you will be able to charge more, and you can also counterbalance those higher fees. Because we're very empathetic people, we want to create accessibility with maybe some sliding scale spots. And then so having a strong niche, being well known in that niche and doing other things outside your practice to to spread the word about that niche through blogging or podcasting or being on social media, however you want to show up and doing workshops, but then also potentially having something that you do in addition to your therapy work, which is something that I've always done which could be consulting, it could be teaching, it could be doing something completely unrelated.

April Snow  00:27:46  You know, a lot of therapists will support other therapists behind the scenes. And so there's lots of options there depending on what your interests are and your passions are. But those are just some ways I don't because I don't want therapists to think I have to. I have to be underpaid. I have to be destitute, right? There are lots of ways to have a great balance as a as a therapist. And, you know, maybe you just not just but maybe you solely focus on therapy, but you'd see 15 clients a week, right? And you have it be that be your your main focus. But just know that there are other options. And I think we now have a lot of models for that. But there are many ways to be therapeutic, right? Not just being a 1 to 1 sessions, doing groups, being an expert, showing up in other ways in your field.

Joe Sanok 00:28:32  Well the last question I always ask is if every private practitioner in the world were listening right now, what would you want them to know.

April Snow  00:28:38  That's a great question. You know, just going back to what we've said, which is consider your own needs when making decisions about your practice, when, how, where, who do you want to work with. And just reminding yourself that what's good for you is good for your clients? It's not selfish.

Joe Sanok 00:28:55  So awesome. April. If people want to connect with you, if they want to follow your work, where should we send them?

April Snow  00:28:59  Absolutely. If you're a therapist, you can go to sensitive therapist comm there. I have a free workshop, Three Pillars of Sustainable Practice, which we dive into screening clients, creating spatial schedules, setting boundaries in your practice. And then if you're not a therapist, you just want more HSP resources. I have a ton of resources at Sensitive strengths.com.

Joe Sanok 00:29:20  so awesome. Thank you so much for being on the practice of the Practice podcast.

April Snow  00:29:23  Thank you so much, Jo. It was great talking with you.

Joe Sanok 00:29:34  Well, go check out those resources. And, you know, just knowing what a high percentage of therapists are.

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