[ALISON PIDGEON]:
You are listening to the Grow a Group Practice podcast. Whether you were thinking about starting a group practice or in the beginning stages, or want to learn how to scale up your already existing group practice, you are in the right place. I’m Alison Pidgeon, your host, a serial entrepreneur with four businesses, one of which is a large group practice that I started in 2015. Each week, I feature a guest or topic that is relevant to group practice owners. Let’s get started.

Welcome to the Grow Group Practice podcast. I’m Alison Pidgeon. I have an amazing guest that I’m interviewing today. Her name is Kiné Corder. She is a national certified counselor and the world’s number one clinical financial hypnotherapist specializing in corporate therapy. She’s also the CEO of a company called Presidential Lifestyle, which is a subscription based mental health company, focused on training therapists and making mental health accessible to all through the workplace. Kiné has been on Oprah, she’s been on ABC’s Extreme Makeover show. She is a bestselling author and an international speaker, and she has developed her own style of therapy. She is truly an amazing person. It was fascinating to meet her and talk with her, so I hope you enjoy this interview with Kiné Corder. Hi Kiné. Welcome to the podcast.
[KINÉ CORDER]:
Thank you. I’m so glad to be here. I’m so excited to talk about this with therapists.
[ALISON]:
Yay. I love talking about money. So this is going to be a good conversation. Before we get started, can you introduce yourself to our audience and all of the different things that you do?
[KINÉ]:
Yes. So I am Kiné Corder and I am a national certified counselor and the world’s number one clinical financial hypnotherapist specializing in corporate therapy. I’m also the CEO of Presidential Lifestyle and our mission at Presidential Lifestyle is to change the way that mental health is viewed and administered. So we envision this world where mental health tools are easily accessible, readily available, and highly sought-after, like everybody wants a therapist. Where it’s not a taboo subject, it is just natural and normal to do your own work. Our mission is to provide every human being with the tools they need to achieve mental clarity and a sense of purpose.
[ALISON]:
That’s amazing. I know you do a couple other things too, right? You have a podcast and you’re doing a program specifically for therapists?
[KINÉ]:
Yes. So our business is broken up into two departments. On one hand, we are a collective of therapists, we teach or train therapists in our own healing modality. We call it Tame Your Brain. Tame Your Brain corporate therapy is a mixture of existential talk therapy, hypnotherapy and financial therapy. It’s broken down into three parts, Tame Your Brain for Change, Tame Your Brain for Performance and Tame Your Brain for Prosperity. So we teach therapists and sometimes other healthcare professionals, how to administer this tame your brain corporate therapy and then we match those therapists with the company.

So simultaneously, on the other side of our company, we are gathering conscious leaders, business leaders who are open and really, really dedicated actually to mental health and looking to get their team to the top of their mental health game. So we like to say both for therapists and for the companies that we are getting to the top of our mental health and money game so that we can excel personally and professionally. We are also doing, so you talked about the podcast, we’re on hiatus right now, but we have a podcast where we collect stories about the search for meaning over money.

Because a lot of times, and we’ll talk more about this in just a second, a lot of times we think we have to choose. Either I’m going to go out and make a lot of money or I’m going to make a big impact. I’m not going to be able to do both at the same time because many therapists believe that I’m just doing my service and I don’t necessarily need or have to be paid for it. I just want to do good in the world. Well, there’s nothing that says you can’t do both. So our podcast and really it’s, we call it a docu-series, we’re documenting these stories of people who have been on the search for meaning, but also money.
[ALISON]:
I love that because I feel like, obviously money just in and of itself is not necessarily the end all be all. Money represents maybe time, freedom, or it represents being able to do something special with your family or something like that. So I think that’s really cool that you’ve paired those two things together.
[KINÉ]:
Yes, absolutely. I think that money gets a bad rap. It has such a bad reputation and all of those programs that are running in the background, we don’t really know it anymore. Because we might be saying the statements because it was said to us when we were kids and now we say it, and it’s just, it’s fact, which is not but the way we say it is like rich people are greedy or money doesn’t grow on trees. What is that supposed to mean? It really supposed to be that money is not easy. It doesn’t come easily and frequently. If it does it’s somebody else’s thing to get money, not mine. So those are the programs that we are rewiring, that we are reprogramming so that you no longer have to believe that you have to work hard for money or you no longer have to believe that it’s better to give than to receive because both feel really good. I mean, I don’t know about you, but if you’ve received a gift, I don’t know about you, but that has felt really good when I received a gift.
[ALISON]:
Yes, absolutely.
[KINÉ]:
Absolutely. So it’s not better to give than to receive neither it’s better or worse. They’re just the different sides of the same coin. They both really feel good.
[ALISON]:
I think about money as a tool and if you are already a good person doing good things in the world, having more money just means you can do more good things.
[KINÉ]:
Exactly. Money makes you more of who you are.
[ALISON]:
Yep. So I am curious, and your work with therapists, what do you think are sort of the common money hangups they have or common money mistakes that they make?
[KINÉ]:
I like to frame it and saying, how did your brain get untamed when it comes to money? Your brain has a system that is working and it creates habits and it likes to go back to homeostasis. It likes to go back to what is familiar. So what is familiar to us got lost in our brains between zero and seven years old and somewhere between zero and seven society, our parents, grandparents, whoever, community gave us a set of beliefs around money. It’s not, I like to say it’s not our fault, but it is our responsibility to do something about it, to tame our brains, especially when it comes to money, because money is how we give and receive love.

We don’t realize it, but here in America, but in many other countries as well, money is very much how we give and receive love. So to answer your question, what are some of the frequent challenges that therapists have with money? One of the ways that they’re going to show love or to do their service is to not charge enough. Oh, you need something and I don’t think you, first of all, they don’t even know if that person can afford it. I have a story where one therapist that I was working with before just years ago, but I love this story, she gave a sliding scale to a particular woman and this woman had been coming to her for almost a year. One day she comes and she says she bought a Mercedes Benz.

So the therapist is like, can’t even focus on the session. She was so triggered because she’s like, wait a minute, I gave you a discounted rate and you have enough money to buy a Mercedes-Benz? What just happened? I don’t. Let’s keep that in mind. So charging, so before even charging the step before charging them is an assumption that they can’t afford it. So one of the things that you’re doing is you’re imposing your thoughts, your beliefs onto them. It may not even be true, but because she believed maybe this lady didn’t dress up a certain way, maybe this lady who in Georgia, where I started, there’s a thing in Georgia where you do downplay your money. Oh, I’m just a poor boy from Georgia. I don’t know anything.

Next thing that person is a millionaire who just told you they were a poor boy from Georgia that doesn’t know anything. They know a little something. So the modesty is normal. There, you don’t play up. So that lady could have considered herself modest and did it show off her wealth. So the therapist made an assessment, a judgment and had some expectations of what this lady could afford, gave her a price because she just wanted the client and then later on, finds out, wait a minute, this lady has money. I actually don’t have money, but now she’s getting, and now the exchange is uneven. Money is energetic and if the exchange is uneven, then the energy which also affects the therapeutic relationship is off.
[ALISON]:
So what did that therapist do in that situation?
[KINÉ]:
She came to me after this situation had happened. For many months in that situation, she was just uneasy. Every time the lady paid the $75 with her rate was really $125, but she wants her rate to be $125, I should say and her rate was $75 and $125 is just not even a lot of money. So if you’re looking at the grand scheme of money and you’re saying, putting measurements on, oh, this is high and this is low, then you are going into it with belief that you either are going to hurt somebody by charging a certain amount. So in that session, in all those sessions, she was thinking, how did I think I was protecting this lady yet I was hurting myself. So she was getting distracted by that, in the therapeutic process and became impaired and some of it.

She had to do some work around it. So she came to me after the situation and we did some work around it. By that time, the situation was already a little out of hand, but she was able to then in the future know let me stick to my rates. They’re the reason, the reason my rates are my rates are because I run a business. Not because I’m trying to hurt somebody. So she learned how to make good business decisions, not how to decide whether I want to be accepted or liked because that was what her rate was based on. I want this lady to like me. So I’m going to give her the, trate that I know that she will like me and then she’ll become my client. People don’t become your client because they like you. They come to you as a client because they’re hurting and they want to feel better. If you’ve got that, if you’ve got the thing that’s going to make them feel better, you just do an analysis of your business. You create a number and then you successfully and confidently articulate that number to the client.
[ALISON]:
There was so much in there that I feel like we could dive into and talk about because there’s all of those pieces of the mindset issues and then how the therapist ended up realizing they ended up hurting themselves. Instead of thinking they were, maybe they were thinking they were saving the client or rescuing the client or wow, there’s a lot to that story.
[KINÉ]:
Yes. And therapy is not about rescuing. We’re already impaired. If we think, if we’re sitting in that chair thinking we’re rescuing, then that’s not what we’re doing. But, that’s what money takes us into. It takes us into taking care of or accept or being accepted or liked. So one of the things I like to mention is that, I mentioned before that zero to seven is where you got this programming. So when you think about it, when you go back zero to seven, if you got your money program before you even got your first dollar, or maybe you got a dollar at your birthday or whatever, or $7, one lady tells a story about how she got a dollar for every year that it was her birthday. So when she turned seven, she got $7 and that gave her a certain belief around money and, and the way it was supposed to go up, that was a limiting belief.

So if you have all these limiting beliefs now mean, some people will say, well, I didn’t, my parents told me money does come easily and frequently. Well, wow, that is awesome. That is a great program to have but many of us did not grow up like that. So if we got these limiting beliefs, believe it or not, 85% of that, the belief system is put in place by age five. So those last two years, you’re just really solidifying almost that belief. Then seven to 14, you are proving the hypothesis. You’re like, oh, okay, so I got this hypothesis about money. I want to go out and prove it.

So from seven to 14, you’re going out and proving that hypothesis. You’re searching the world for evidence. Because the brain likes familiar, like I said earlier, it going to go towards familiar. It’s going to scan the world over for reasons why you need to give people discounts and see a client for free. I’m saying this about all of us. We’ve all have programming. Not just you, whoever listening, like, oh gosh, she’s judging me. She’s telling my story. I’m like, no, no, no, no, no. I’m only telling your story because I’ve heard the story a million times. That’s why. Seven to 14, you scan the world over and you’re looking for evidence that your idea is correct. Then from 14 to 21, you then solidify those beliefs. And just around 21, that’s when your conscious brain is now really a prefrontal cortex is really forming it becoming solid.

You’re sealing the deal on those ideas. It’s really difficult to change them. It’s possible, but it’s more difficult to change them after 21, after you have already had that in place. Then after 21, you start a business, you get a job now, money, now you have responsibilities, but you have these old programs running and you didn’t have any time to rewrite those programs. So when you go into business and as your business grows, and then you start to hire other therapists, what do you think happens if your money beliefs are limited? You’re just going to pass that down. You’re going to attract therapists whose money beliefs are also limited
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[ALISON PIDGEON]:
Yes, that’s really interesting. What do you think then, so I have two questions. One is, if anybody is a parent of a young child right now, what can they do to help not have those limiting beliefs or those sort of irrational fears or thoughts about money? That’s question number one.
[KINÉ]:
Okay. A lot of it starts with language. I like to correct or challenge language a lot with my clients because when you use limiting words, like we can’t afford it, or if you’re perpetuating those same things that you heard, like it’s better to give than to receive, or you got to work hard for money, then they’ll grow up with those beliefs. Now here’s the first thing. The first thing is, listen, listen to what your children are saying about money. Listen to the questions they’re asking you. Even listen to what you are saying back. So I call that awareness. The first step is awareness. Just see what is already happening because you can’t really change it. You can’t just go into changing if you don’t know what was already there. So just see what’s already happening.

If your children are between zero and seven, they’re just formulating some ideas. Believe it or not people don’t like to talk to children about money, but you are talking to children about money because money is energetic. So if you feel nervous about money, then they’re going to feel that nervousness and that is what you’re passing down. So some of that is doing your own work, not even worry about the language, but getting your energy in place so that money doesn’t make you feel nervous, so that you feel confident. The way that you do that is, we can talk about that in just a few minutes, but there is some work that you can do on your own therapy to make sure that you are what we call calm, optimal brain state when it comes to money.

Now that doesn’t mean that you have to want to become a millionaire, billionaire. It just means that you have to be at peace when money is the conversation. So the first is listen or be aware. The second is to check your own energy, not just your words, but then the third then I would say, is the language, watch your language. Your language is programmed. So you’re going to easily say, oh, we can’t afford that. I’ll tell the story about a girl who was five years old and she and her mom went to Wendy’s to get something to eat. Her mother says to her, “Be careful what you order. We only have $5.” She heard forever, like this was the last $5. She was five years old. She didn’t know what that meant. We only have $5. She became nervous about money and making money mistakes, because she said, be careful what you order. We only have $5. Now she’s just nervous about money and spending money and being around money because it’s limited. We only have $5.
[ALISON]:
Wow. It’s interesting, because I had to do a lot of my own research and money mindset work when I started to become a business owner and I realized how important it was to teach my own kids about net worth and having assets and having more assets than you have liabilities. So I was telling my kids about that one day and then my son who was about nine at the time said, he loves collecting Pokemon cards and he says, “I have $800 worth of assets,” with his Pokemon cards.
[KINÉ]:
I love it. I love it.
[ALISON]:
He worked them up and see how much they’re worth.
[KINÉ]:
Yes. See that’s what I’m saying. You can talk to them about these things. A lot of times we believe that the conversation is too deep. They get it, they get it and even if they don’t get it, what you’re doing is planning a seed. It’s okay to plant the seed and that’s what, so for some of you, that’s what we are doing right now. Alison and I are planting a seed for you. You may have never heard any of these things, but for some people you’ve heard this before and you’re like, oh yes, yes, yes, I heard this. So we’re watering the seed, which is going to happen for your children later. The seed will get watered, but because they already have a seed planted, nobody else can imprint any old or outdated money beliefs in them because you’ve already planted a seed in them. That seed is what’s going to flourish in their life later when it’s time to harvest
[ALISON]:
Yes, definitely. so my second question was, let’s say you’re an adult and you have grown up with maybe some not so great thoughts about money. What is your advice for people who realize like, oh, I have a lot of these money hangups and I really need to work on them?
[KINÉ]:
So the first one is still awareness. They still have to just pay attention to what is happening. Then the second one is acceptance. You really have to go into it is what it is. Go into it nonchalantly, not with a sense of judgment. You can’t judge yourself about these things. Some of the stuff you didn’t even know. Or like I said earlier, it’s not your fault. It was imprinted in you. So you couldn’t do anything about it. So you got to go in with acceptance. This is how I am right now, but this is not how I have to be. But some of these things might be okay, like maybe right now millionaire status is what you think is right for you. That’s fine. Are there billionaires out there? Yes, but you don’t have to compare yourself to them. Maybe one day you will want to be a billionaire. When I first started the business in 1980 something, my mom went to six figures and that was a big deal in our house. We were like six figures. Whoa. It was a big deal. So when I very first started my business, that’s all I was thinking about, was getting the six figures like my mom did. Then that felt like nothing. So I was like —
[ALISON]:
Yes, in today’s money is not a lot.
[KINÉ]:
No. In the eighties that meant something right, not 20 whatever. So then I was like, okay, well maybe we need to be a million dollar company. Then I was like, I think it’s going to have to be a multimillion dollar company. Oh shoot, maybe we just need to be a billion dollar company. But that evolved over time and I was okay with the six figures and then I was okay with seven and then it just grew to 10 and I’m okay with that too. Then maybe one day I’ll be like, well, let’s just do a trillion. Oh, just going to do it and do it. Just gone and do it. I’m really laughing about it because I want you to. That’s what I mean when I say don’t judge. It just is what it is.

Just be naline about it. Let it go and just find what’s right for you. Not comparing yourself to others. However, when you find what’s right for you, then what you’re going to do is adjust what’s not there. So what would it take for you to be that six figure, seven figure, 10 figure, whatever earner that you want to be? What would it take? What do you need to adjust? What do you need to add, subtract? what do you need to learn, create, all of those things? What do you need to adjust? So in our program, when we are teaching leaders or business owners, we have five pillars and you need to know your vision, know yourself, know your pause. I’m going to break this down in a second, know your laws, know your cause.

Know your vision is that’s what you’re trying to build. I said earlier, our vision is to make, get every human being mental health tools so they can have mental clarity and a sense of purpose. That’s our vision. Know myself is doing my own work, but really knowing my strengths, what am I good at? How am I going to be the person to bring this to the world? Then you want to know what is my pause, we call it, your blocks? What’s in the way? So those are your challenges. You know your strengths now, now you need to know your challenges and then know your laws. Those are your core values. What are your convictions? One of our convictions is to keep the authenticity of this work.

Sometimes people will call and say, oh well, can you do this 15 minute thing? Or can you do this in this way? I’m like, no, we cannot because that would bastardize our whole system. You’re not going to illegitimate the work that we do. We need it to be like this. Then they either say yes or no, but we will not, we will not give up this work. We will not give it away unless we know it will work. So you’ve got to know your laws. Then the last one is know your calls. That is what you do that lights you up. Most of this, our mission, this work that we do is to light the world up but there has to be something that lights you up too. Maybe that’s giving to the homeless. Maybe that’s teen pregnancy, stopping teen pregnancy or like me financial awareness.
[ALISON]:
That’s amazing. I love those five values. I’m not sure if that’s what you call them, but those your pillars, five pillars because I think that, I’ve heard similar things in other business books and things like that, but I’ve never heard them all put together in that way. So that was really helpful.
[KINÉ]:
That’s what I say as a business owner, if you can just view those things, and then we have another five pillars that you need to do, but if you can just view those things and get really clear, that’s going to help you understand where money is important. So if you see your vision, then you’re going to have to say, oh, in order to grow this type of business, who do have to be, what do I need to charge? It’s the vision. You don’t to feel bad about your vision. It was ingrained in you. This is your work.
[ALISON]:
Yes
[KINÉ]:
Yes. If you charge too little for it, you can’t do your work.
[ALISON]:
Right.
[KINÉ]:
You can’t have that sense of purpose.
[ALISON]:
Yes. I see —
[KINÉ]:
That’s why you charge what you charge, not because you’re greedy, but because you have a purpose, because you lead a team. Sorry, I’m preaching.
[ALISON]:
No, it’s great. It’s great. I think one of the challenges I know I have as a group practice owner, I have 35 employees and there’s times when they say, “Hey, can I have a raise or hey, can you pay for this training or whatever?” It’s like, “I would love to pay you all a million dollars but at the end of the day, the insurance companies are only going to pay me so much money and so I can only pay you so much money.” I think in the beginning of being a practice owner, it was hard for me to say that, but now I see the dollars and cents and I understand you have to make a profit in order to keep the doors open. So, I feel like that’s gotten easier for me as the years have gone on, but in the beginning it was hard.
[KINÉ]:
Even asking them because sometimes that is their money challenge that has them coming to you asking a question. So also putting some responsibility on them because maybe the answer is not no. Maybe the answer is, well, if in order for that to happen, this would need to happen. So you go make that happen and we got it. It’s done, easy peasy. Money comes easily and frequently. You want that of course pay for, here’s what we would need in order to pay for it. Sometimes putting the responsibility back on them to allow them to see, oh, maybe they didn’t even see how they could be part of because they would just want you to be responsible for the clients. So it is like also allowing them to see, hmm, this might be, this might be a limiting belief.

So, or maybe they’re overspending. So they don’t even, or maybe their own continued education is not in their budget. That might be a place where they have, so those are some of the things I like to point out because as a leader, yes, you have a responsibility, but they also have responsibility. You got to the point where you did your work to be able to say we need to make a profit. You want to keep running this business? If you want to have a place to come, we got to stay in business or to stay in business. That’s very logical. You got to your logical calm, optimal brain. It wasn’t triggering to say no anymore because you knew what you were using in order to make that decision.
[ALISON]:
Yes, definitely. Tell us about the free program that you have going on right now for therapists. I know you said April is financial literacy month. Is that what you said?
[KINÉ]:
Well, it is called financial literacy month, but most of the people I work with are literate. They know money. They just are not aware of some of the things that triggers, they’re not aware of their programming. So we changed the name to financial awareness month. We are doing a financial awareness for therapists journey. For the month of April, whatever I do is just free information for therapists. We start with a prosperity pro is what we call our membership. So we have a path to prosperity popup session where I am going to do three things. One I’m going to teach, those listening, you got a little bit of what I’m going to teach, but I’m going to teach for a few minutes and then I’m going to actually allow you to experience attain your brain session.

That’s how we’ll open it up. Then at the end of that, I usually open it up for what we call training but that is, if you tell me your specific situation, I can drill down, tell you how you can use this work in order to work for your specific situation. That is our path to prosperity. That happens on April 2nd, so if this comes out, if you listen to this later, then April 2nd, there will be a recording. So you can still go in register and you can get the recording if you miss it.

Really, because I’m doing this the whole month of may, and I’m going to be talking about earning money, growing money, protecting money, gifting money, and enjoying money, don’t forget that one save the best for last, but not necessarily in that order. But those are the things that I’m going to be teaching you and if you miss any of them, if you listen to this, this recording later, then just know that you can come in and listen to those back recordings, because they’ll be there for you. They’ll be available the whole month.

All you have to do, I’m going to send you a link, I’m going to give you a link for the show notes. I’ll give you a link for the show notes. You’ll click that link. It’ll take you to the registration page and then just follow the directions. We’ll get to hang out for about 30 days and you’ll just allow me to pour into you. So by the end of that 30-day journey, you feel a lot more confident around money. That is the goal that you have some awareness and that awareness brings you a little bit more confidence. It’s still a journey. There’s still going to be more to do. I’m not going to wave a magic wand in 30 days, you’re going to be a billionaire, but you’ll have taken some steps in that direction and anywhere where you were impaired in your practice, then you’ll start to see those.

It’ll allow you to not be impaired anywhere where you weren’t keeping to your code of ethics and subconsciously you didn’t know you weren’t. You were judging clients. You weren’t treating them the same. You weren’t really doing your best work because you took on too many clients because you’re charging too little or you were allowing your employees to charge too little. You’re saying yes when you should be saying no. These things will start to come to light in those 30 days. So that is the financial awareness for therapists journey for April.
[ALISON]:
Awesome. That sounds amazing. I think if you’re listening to this and you haven’t worked through some of your money mindset issues, it is an absolute must. I know I did that, the bulk of that myself back in 2018 and it has helped me tremendously. So yes I highly recommend.
[KINÉ]:
Even if it’s just because you don’t want to feel that nervous, icky, I call it the icky, feel it, you just want to feel yummy about your business.
[ALISON]:
Or you don’t want to feel panicky when you go to buy groceries.
[KINÉ]:
Yes, exactly
[ALISON]:
Well, I realized that I probably should have asked you this question quite a while ago, but where does the hypnotherapy fit in with all of this?
[KINÉ]:
What I just described, so when I described the path to prosperity session that we’re going to do on April 2nd, usually we do a little bit of talk therapy in our sessions. Then we go into hypnotherapy or what we call tame your brain. We go into a tame your brain session. Tame your brain is very similar to what you know as hypnotherapy, except we’re blending quite a few different hypnotherapies together for tame your brain. So we are going into your subconscious brain. We do brain-based hypnotherapy. There’s different kinds of hypnotherapy, but we do brain-based hypnotherapy. So we’re really getting to the subconscious brain, which then makes it work faster and longer lasting. We’re getting to the subconscious brain and in the subconscious brain, we are clearing what that old program is, because the same place where your brain imagines something is the same place in your brain where it actually does it.

So the brain won’t know if this is an imaginary thing that happened, or if this is a real thing that happened. So when it holds that new memory of you being confident about money, rather than scared, fearful, or lack mentality, then it changes what we call your life set. A lot of people say mindset. We do life set. What is your life set to? Your life is set to these particular programs because what’s running in your subconscious brain. That’s where the hypnotherapy comes in. Usually in a group, we have a prosperity pro. Our prosperity pro digital membership is a group for a therapist where you can continue to do your own work. It’s like a gym membership. You can come to group hypnotherapy or group Tame Your Brain sessions.

You can have your recorded sessions, because there’s a library of recorded sessions. Ten we also have other tools and third party things that you can use as well. So just like that, and if you want, you can upgrade to one on one sessions as well, but that is where you get the bulk of your brain. During our April, we’re not going to do a lot of tame your brain in that. I do it on the first day and you have that recording, but in our prosperity pro digital membership, every single week, we have two or three sessions going on each week.
[ALISON]:
Wow. That sounds fascinating.
[KINÉ]:
Yes.
[ALISON]:
So if folks want to learn more about the work that you’re doing or want to connect with you, what’s the best way for them to contact you?
[KINÉ]:
Or website is presidentiallifestyle.com. There you’ll find two things. You’ll find mostly the work about the conscious companies that we work with but there is a link where if you are a therapist and you want to learn more about Tame Your Brain, then right on the menu is a place for you to learn more about Tame Your Brain. Then, like I said, I’m going to give you the link to join the prosperity pro for that 30-day journey. Then I’m on LinkedIn and I post a mental health Monday video every Monday on LinkedIn and YouTube. So you can hang out with us there. I like to tell people there’s a freeway. Now, April gives you a lot of free, there’s usually a freeway, meaning YouTube and LinkedIn. There’s a paid way. If you want to join our short 30-day journey, usually it costs. Then the membership is the other paid way. That’s a longer commitment. Those are the three options and ways to connect with us.
[ALISON]:
Excellent. Yes, it was so great talking with you today. Kiné, I really appreciate all your wisdom and sharing all your knowledge with us.
[KINÉ]:
You’re welcome. It was my pleasure. I love sharing this with therapists.
[ALISON]:
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I just loved talking with Kiné and hearing her energy and the passion for what she does. It was such a treat, getting to interview her. So if you are interested in being in a supportive environment with other practice owners who are doing amazing things, definitely check out our membership program called Group Practice Boss. You can learn more at practiceofthepractice.com/grouppracticeboss.

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