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Have you ever felt that you have been holding yourself back from achieving your goals? How strong is your discipline? What do you need to do to get out of your own way and pursue your highest ambitions?
In this podcast episode, Brandon Shurn discusses mindset within the three components of growth for solo and group practitioners.
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In This Podcast
- Traditional discipline
- Alternative ways to approach discipline
- Practical strategies and reflective questions
Traditional discipline
The more traditional definition of discipline is training to act in accordance with the rules.
[Discipline] is an exercise, activity, or regimen that develops a skill or improves a skill … It is behavior in accord with rules of conduct and/ or a set or system of rules and regulations. (Brandon Shurn)
What typically comes to mind when you think about a person who works within this definition of discipline? People who work in the military, first responders, monks, and Olympic athletes, for example, are all people who act by set rules and have developed a specific skillset to the best of their abilities.
Alternative ways to approach discipline
For me, discipline means to determine if success can inspire prolonged lingering inside nasty environments. (Brandon Shurn)
This is what Brandon personally experienced in his life, to determine whether the success that was possible and waiting out there for him could be sustained throughout the struggle he had to go through to achieve it.
In this case and instance, “nasty” really just means difficult. It’s unwanted, unpleasant, and that environment can be internal or external. (Brandon Shurn)
Practical strategies and reflective questions
Remember that with a growth mindset and discipline-oriented approach, you view problems as opportunities and failures as learning curves. Here are some reflective questions you can ask yourself to determine your next steps:
1 – What area or areas who I want to be successful in?
2 – What does success look like for my practice?
3 – What is the big picture goal for my practice?
4 – How ready is my environment for where I want to take my practice?
5 – Do I want success enough that I can linger and move through these difficult environments?
6 – If I want to shift from a “trying” mode to a “training” mode, can I allow my success to inspire and sustain my prolonged effort through difficulty?
7 – How can I get out of my own way on the path to my success?
If you want success, then you have to determine whether success can inspire [you to endure] prolonged lingering inside nasty environments. (Brandon Shurn) If you need some extra encouragement or accountability, reach out to the POP team!
Books mentioned in this episode:
James Clear – Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones
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Meet Prof. Brandon Shurn

Brandon Shurn, Ph.D., LCPC, LMHC, AFC®, NCC, is a licensed clinical professional counselor and the founder of EmPower Me Holistic Counseling, a fully virtual Maryland-based practice. He’s also a full-time professor in Seattle University’s online Clinical Mental Health Counseling program. With extensive experience launching and directing university training clinics, Brandon now focuses on helping therapists design and grow impactful, sustainable practices. Outside of his work, he enjoys fitness, yoga, Wing Chun, golf, reading, and spending time with his family and dogs.
Visit Empower Me Counseling, and connect with Brandon on Instagram and LinkedIn.
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