LaToya Smith Started a Group Practice and a Big Idea | PoP 428

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LaToya Smith Started a Group Practice and a Big Idea | PoP 428

Are you sitting on a big idea but are not sure how to get started? How can you go from starting a private practice to launching a group practice? Want some tangible tips on how to step outside your comfort zone and run full tilt towards your dreams?

In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok speaks with LaToya Smith about her journey from getting laid off to starting a group practice and launching a big idea.

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Meet LaToya Smith


LaToya is the owner of LCS Counseling and Consulting Agency in Fortworth Texas. She firmly believes that people don’t have to remain stuck in their pain or the place they became wounded. She encourages her clients to be active in their treatment and work towards their desired outcome.

She has also launched Strong Witness which is a platform designed to connect, transform and heal communities through the power of storytelling.

Visit LaToya’s website and connect with her on Facebook, Instagram, Strong Witness Instagram and Twitter.

In This Podcast


In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok speaks with LaToya Smith about why she started her practice, launching her big idea and why she thinks everyone should experience at Slow Down School.

Why Did You Start Your Practice?

In that moment of walking away it was more painful, but now I see I needed that. If I did’nt have that I would’nt have started my practice.

In 2015 LaToya was working in an agency when they started laying off people, including herself. Despite the fact that LaToya previously had people ask why she didn’t start her own practice, it wasn’t until she got laid off that she seriously considered doing it. After an objection from her sister about the names she was coming up with for her practice, LaToya just decided to use her initials, hired an office and started going from there.

When Did You Consider Starting a Group Practice?

Your most important client are the therapists that work with you.

LaToya’s practice had really grown and she was seeing way more people than she needed to see so she was really exhausted. She then joined a Mastermind Group with Alison Pidgeon and she soon realized that things weren’t as scary or tedious as she thought it would be. In March 2018 LaToya brought on her first therapist.

Going After The Big Idea

And I wanted to grab hold of it when I still had that energy. I didn’t want to sit down and get relaxed. I wanted to keep building on what was already created.

When LaToya started bringing the first therapist on board she got more serious about her big idea and she wanted to see some more things take off after realizing that she could do much better. LaToya had wanted to do some consulting because as her business grew quickly she had many people enquire about how she was doing what she had done. Another dream that had also been in her heart was Strong Witness. She envisioned this as a place to just share more, build a community, grow, connect and heal, right by just talking and sharing.

The Experience At Slow Down School

It helped to clear my mind so that I could just think, and be at peace so that I could see the bigger picture.

Being around other people who were also working on their big ideas gave LaToya the energy to further dig deeper into her dreams and work on her vision as well as reignite some of the excitement she had lost through the pressure of running her business.

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Welcome to the Practice of the Practice podcast. I’m Joe Sanok, your host. Hey, if you are new here, I’m so glad you’re here. Welcome. We have over 400 episodes of this show that you can listen to. We also have all sorts of resources to help you get to the next level. We brought together all of our best resources, downloads, webinars, e-books, and we should put it all under one roof, and it’s called So, if you haven’t checked out to opt in for that, there are, I think 40 or 50 different resources. Plus, I have this thing called Eight-Minute Experts where, or is it seven-minute? No, it’s eight, eight-minute experts, because I did the e, e thing. So, eight-minute experts where I interview people for eight minutes and get their best tips. So, things around bookkeeping and websites and launching a group practice and using virtual assistants. What are their best tips in just eight minutes? So, you can get that over at
Today we’re talking with LaToya Smith. LaToya is, oh my gosh. She is one of my favorite Slow Down Schoolers, this past year, and she talks about this in this interview. She really pushed herself to do new things, and to have new experiences and it was amazing to see her personal growth. Her business growth and her big idea growth have been amazing as well, but it’s so cool to be able to talk to these Slow Down Schoolers, because you know, doors are opening, are just open for that. So if you want to do an interview for Slow Down School, if you think it might be a fit, if you’re not sure, if you want to just talk with me about it, we want to make sure that you really feel good about coming to Northern Michigan, because we hang out on the beaches or we watch the sunset, we go for hikes, and then after a couple of days of really letting our brains rest, we run full tilt towards your business.
And honestly, I don’t know, you know, now this is our fourth year doing it. I don’t know which side is my favorite because the slowdown is so fun. It’s just nice to go hiking and get a massage and yoga in the woods and watch the sunset. But then when we’re working on these big ideas and you know, leveling up your business and helping you get to that next level, that’s so fun too, to just dream about the kind of life you could live. And it’s great because we get to really kind of pace out together in the way that I get a lot done. And it’s not that I’m someone special, it’s something that I’ve figured out that I’ve put the time into my own coaching, my own consulting, my own reading. I listen to two to three podcasts a day on 1.5 speed. So, I take in a lot of information and I try to kind of bring that all back to you and help you get to that next level without having to kind of do all that work.
So, if you’re interested in Slow Down School, I would absolutely love to talk with you, to do an interview. Just head on over to to schedule that. I’m going to be doing those interviews for our early birds, over the next few weeks, and, that’s going to be a great way for you to be able to see if it’s a fit for you. So, without any further ado, I give you LaToya Smith.
Well, today on the Practice of the Practice podcast, we have LaToya Smith. LaToya is the owner of LCS Counseling and Consulting Agency in Fort Worth, Texas. She firmly believes that people don’t have to remain stuck in their pain or the place where they became wounded. She encourages her clients to be active in their treatment and work towards their desired outcome. LaToya also launched Strong Witness, which is a platform designed to connect, transform, and heal communities through the power of storytelling. LaToya, welcome to the podcast today.

[LaToya] Thank you, Joe. Thanks for having me on. You know, I’m really excited to do this podcast.

[JOE]: I always love introducing people to like my world that I’ve known for a while and to see you grow over the last year, so, and I know we’ve connected even before that, has been so cool. Why don’t we go back to when you started your practice? Why did you start a practice?

[LaToya] Yes. You know what? I started it, I guess officially at the, about this time in 2015 I was working in an agency and they started laying off people. They made a lot of changes, and I would say I was fortunate enough to be one of the ones that were laid off, in that —

[JOE]: Did you feel that at the time?

[LaToya] No, not at the time because there was so much going on and then watching, you know, people be affected in different ways. It was very hard emotionally, and I remember before that two people I had spoken to and they were like, “Why don’t you start your own practice?” And I was like, “What?” Because I told myself, honestly, back to grad school, I told myself, “I don’t ever want to be that person in the office seeing eight clients back to back all day long.” And then, you know, fast forward to 2015, I’m like, “Okay, why not? I’m sitting on my couch and I don’t know what I’m going to do.” So, I just started, you know, I couldn’t think of a great effective name. My sister turned down. I thought these names were powerful and great and my sister was like, “Those are stupid.” And I was just like, “I like initials.” And then I was just like, “That’s it. That’s what I’m doing.” And I went and found an office and then it just started going from there.

[JOE]: Wow. So, I remember when I was, it was probably 2006, 7 and I had got hired at this residential facility and then, so that was in like June, and then in the middle of August, like two months later, they announced that they were closing and I realized they brought me in as the counselor purely to help all these kids transition out. And I was just like, “Really?” But it opened all these doors to get a job at Community Mental Health that I don’t think that would have happened as quickly. And it’s amazing how those really kind of tough transitions oftentimes open doors you don’t expect.

[LaToya] Yes. It definitely, I think, I mean fast forward, I know we did Slow Down School this past year, but in that quiet time, I had a lot of time to think, and it helped me to pull on all the stuff I learned throughout the years. Like when it came to counseling. Like my last job for the agency, I was a clinical director or doing in-home therapy or working with kids, going into schools, like it helped me to pull on everything and put it together. So, I mean it worked out, but you’re right. In that moment of walking away it was more painful, but now I see I needed that. If I didn’t have that I wouldn’t have started my practice.

[JOE]: Yes. Oh yes, it’s amazing, those things that just totally disrupt your world. And I think also for me, it’s realizing that, and it sounds very kind of self-centered, but almost like nobody has your back as much as you do in the sense that, like I worked at this community college and then they decided to restructure how they did kind of the payments for wages and salary and they had the average, they had this five-step program and the average of whatever your role was was step four. And it’s like, it should have been step three if it’s the average, you know. So, you’re always going to be underpaid, and I just realized through that process of leaving that community college, that if I ever wanted to make money, I was going to have to be a supervisor, but I would have to work harder and take more responsibility. And just the idea of having my skillset be something that increased income, it was such a hard transition, but now I’m just like so glad that I’m not there anymore.

[LaToya] Right. Me too.

[JOE]: Now, did you start considering starting a group practice?

[LaToya] It was last year. I want to say in the beginning of last year. This time last year in the fall, I was just really exhausted. My practice had really grown and I was seeing way more people than I needed to see per week or per day, and I remember just being tired coming home, but that’s another thing too, like these things I told myself I wasn’t going to do, I find myself doing. But hindsight, looking back, it was a lot of fear or misunderstanding, and so then I was like, “Okay.” Well, I took one of the mastermind groups, through you and with Alison, and that helped me to see that I can do this. Like, it’s not going to be the, you know, as scary as I thought it was going to be, or as tedious or painful or draining. It wasn’t even like that, and so it helps. So last year, I want to say February or March, I brought on the first therapist to come with me, and she was great and I enjoyed her. It made things easier for me right away. So, you know, I appreciate it.

[JOE]: Yes. What was helpful about Alison’s group? What helped you have that feeling? Because I love when consulting clients kind of have that realization of, “Wow, I could really do this. This seems super realistic. I just didn’t know what to do next, but now I do.” What were some of those light bulb moments for you in working with Alison?

[LaToya] Yes, I think, you know, one here in how she did it and how successful her practice is and is thriving, when she talks, about when she discussed like, you know, taking some of the load off that I was carrying and basically pass it on to somebody else. It also helped to understand the difference between contract and W2. You know, I’m not a person that, I don’t like to have to go behind somebody or tell them what to do all the time. And for me, contractors work better. Like, “Listen. Come on, here’s some clients.” I mean, of course we have some other structure, but it was kind of like this, “Come as you are.” Of course, we set parameters, but that has made me feel better that I didn’t have to constantly delegate or supervise. That was it too. I didn’t want to go back to that role of having to be somebody’s ” boss” or supervisor as much as I wanted it to be like, “Okay, let’s make this partnership.” You know, I mean [crosstalk]

[JOE]: Yes. It’s interesting you say that because that, I wouldn’t have articulated it that way, but that’s exactly why I did contractors too. I had been a foster care supervisor and I hated it. It was like, “You are a professional. Do your job. Why aren’t you writing these reports?” The amount of things I had to be on people about, it felt like I had a bunch of kids and I wasn’t even a parent at the time. And so, in structuring my practice, I just didn’t want that at all.

[LaToya] Yes. And that was, you know, with the last job too. Like being a supervisor sometimes and working for somebody else, it’d be absolutely draining because it’s always that tug of war of we care about who we see, but then here’s like the red tape or you know what I mean? The politics of the agency, you know, but, and that was my fear of, “Okay, I don’t want to start a group practice because I don’t want that.” And I think the mastermind with Alison helped me to see that. It doesn’t have to be that. You know what I mean?

[JOE]: Right.

[LaToya] This is the culture that you create, and I remember her saying something which I thought was the most pop, I think it was in that or another mastermind group, but she said, “You know, your biggest client or your most important client are the therapists that work with you. You know what I mean? So, making sure that they’re comfortable, and they’re happy, they understand, they have what they need. And I really started going with that. I mean, of course we always care about the client, but making sure that the therapists are a good fit. What also helped me was a book that she told us to read, and of course I forget the name, but —

[JOE]: Was it the Ideal Team Player? I know that’s what she likes.

[LaToya] That was it.

[JOE]: Yes. I know that it made the circles, probably two years ago in my mastermind groups there was that book Profit First, and I swear, independent of each other, multiple of my mastermind groups just were like, “Have you read the Ideal Team Player? Oh my gosh, have you read Profit First?” They just, it’s like we had this book club going that we hadn’t even planned.

[LaToya] Yes. And both of those books really helped me. But this Ideal Team Player, that was it. Like just, you know, seeing who I want to bring on, who fits, asking those questions. And for all the therapists I have now, I can say that, I mean, they’re all great people there. They make me laugh. Like, in some ways, their personalities are different than mine, but they’re just funny. And it’s fun to see them, you know, coming or hear them walking down the hall or see them laughing with their clients. I mean, I’m not spying on them in session. I mean like walking down the hall.

[JOE]: In that book it’s, you want people that are hungry, humble, and what’s the last one? Do you remember it? Hungry, humble, and there’s a third one, I think.

[LaToya] I can’t remember now either.

[JOE]: Well, we’ll put it in the show notes since we both don’t remember. That’s totally fine.

[LaToya] Yes, not going to bother me.

[JOE]: Well, whenever it comes, just like, you know, even if you text me. So, then the group practice starts going. When do you start getting the itch towards the big idea?

[LaToya] You know what? I feel like I’ve always had it. I mean, not the sound. That sounds well, you know what I mean? I’m a person that thinks big. I just don’t know how to put things together. Oh, I don’t know how to lay things out, and I think I wanted to do it before, but it made more sense, you know, I was so exhausted with the business. I needed help. You know what I mean? It was hard for me to focus on anything else because I was so tired and drained, but then the big, you know, again, last year when I started bringing the first therapist on at the beginning of last year, I think I got more serious about, “Okay, I want to see some more things take off,” because like I saw that I could do greater, because, you know, sometimes you have big ideas too but you just don’t see how. So, I went and did Alison’s group and I was like, “Okay, wow, I can do this. This is possible.” You know what I mean?

[JOE]: Yes.

[LaToya] So, for me it’s like, “What’s the next step?” You know, which has gotten me in trouble sometimes too, like looking at what’s the next thing. But that’s what I wanted to see, and I wanted to grab hold of it when I still had that energy. You know, I didn’t want to sit down and get relaxed. Like I wanted to keep building on what was already created.

[JOE]: And I think that’s a really common strategy for people to optimize what’s already working. So if you have a solo practice, to really grow the group practice, even if you want to do a big idea, but to get a couple people in there that can kind of relieve the pressure of referrals to say, “Okay, I have three part-time people that I can really refer to and I can trust them and they do a great job and it also brings in that money for me. Now I can take some bigger risks over on this big idea. And if it doesn’t monetize right away, it’s still okay because I know that it could be something way bigger.” And so, you can give it that time when you’ve kind of built out the business first rather than if you’re trying to do the big idea while you’re solo practice and you’re so spent on time

[LaToya] Yes, I think so, and that’s what I felt, you know, from the time that we, even the initial phone calls help. Like before I started, I joined the mass group, the initial calls with you. Like those were helpful too. So yes, I appreciate it all.

[JOE]: Yes. Now for you, I know that one thing you’ve kind of gone back and forth with some of your big ideas, maybe share what that process has been like because I know that a lot of people have tons of different skills and they’re like, “I could do this or this or this,” and they don’t even know where to start. So maybe explain a bit of your process of deciding where to spend your time for the big idea.

[LaToya] Yes, you know, when I initially thought about it, I wanted to do some more consulting because what has happened for me, like since the time I started my practice and the first couple of years being just very difficult and then just growing. And when I grew, it just happened quickly, and I was, I would have people come to me, you know, ask me, “Well, how do you do it?” Or, other therapists call me. They haven’t started yet, and, “I was thinking, man, I would love to do some consulting and just be supportive to the people that bring the calls in or have those questions about how to do it.” And so that was the basis. What’s been in my heart too was strong witnesses, which is what I have been working on, and as you mentioned earlier, it’s a platform to help people share their stories and just connect well with others.
You know, it’s about, as to the tagline I’ve been using as like to share more, you know, the idea that we can build community, we can grow, we can connect, we can heal, by just talking and sharing. And I think what I’ve found, you know, which is strong when it’s in general, like a lot of people are shocked in their faces when they learn more about the connections they have with one person, but they were afraid to say, and so I decided to go with that because to me it’s just powerful even in session one-to-one or, in different communities that I’m in, just seeing people be healed by releasing what they’ve been carrying or thought they were, had to carry for so many years,

[JOE]: In the first event that you put on, there was some really intense stories that were going on there. Maybe explain some of the people that shared their stories and kind of what happened in that first event.
[LaToya] The very first time I did a strong witness event. It was specifically for victims or survivors of childhood abuse or sexual assault. So, the lineup was just that. It was a lot of people that spoke, a lot of people were impacted and I think the people that were there to hear, they, I think they grew for, but I think they were also taken back like, “Oh,” you know, because these are things that they will normally hear, but there are also people that were there in the audience that never spoke about their own pain. So, I think a lot of it too was the idea like, “Oh my goodness, these people have this freedom and this peace to speak things out loud that I never thought that I could or I didn’t think was socially accepted.” Because again, you know, a lot of times, not for everybody, but growing up when it came time for abuse, it was the message sent was keep it hush hush or you don’t talk about it.
You know what I mean? Or “I can’t let anybody else know because what would they think of me.” So, it was like this peace, this freedom to speak about what occurred, whatever it was in the past and that it is okay. And so there’s a lot of power in the room, I think a lot of connections in the room, but at the same time too, I thought, “Okay, I got to do this a little bit different, because as much as I want, and that’s the reason why I started it, I don’t want people to run from it because they’re so scared because they don’t want to be in that space if they’re not ready. You know what I mean? To run that level of vulnerability or transparency, I think it scares people. So, it’s funny because that pulls people in and then people run away at the same time. So, trying to find that middle ground, when necessary is really what I’m trying to work on.

[JOE]: And after that first event, what were things that you learned from it or shifts or adjustments that happened as a result of what you learned from that first event?

[LaToya] I think one was kind of helping people be more specific about their stories too, because sometimes when we start talking, like if you didn’t structure this podcast, maybe I go on and on and on about one topic. So sometimes it’s the idea of giving a little bit more, you know, helping them to guide their stories and to craft it; is what I’ve learned is important, instead of just saying, “Okay, you can talk about, just talk. But okay, tell me about, how you overcame, tell me about how you’re different, tell me about the moment that you knew things changed for you,” or “Tell me about the important people along the line who you felt helped you. So, kind of putting little field reports in there for people to connect more with their story as well, and then also helping the audience understand the power of story. Like don’t be scared of this moment, but this is a moment that we can all come together and we can form community or this is right here, this is where transformation happens for the person speaking and the person listening. Like, or this right here, this is called vulnerability. Like, let’s sit in it and let us see what happens. Or this right here, this is silence and it’s okay to sit in silence and we can heal from it too. So also, being more mindful to educate the hearer and the one speaking and then telling them like what we just created.

[JOE]: I love that. And I think that it’s easy as therapists that, you know, our job is to sit and talk about really heavy things with people and to know when to be quiet and when to ask questions and when to go deeper. We forget that a huge part of the population doesn’t have that depth of conversation on any sort of regular basis. And so even to take those skills as a therapist and put them into your big idea to say, “I’m going to teach you how to have deeper conversations. I’m going to name things like empathy and anger and trust and we’re going to kind of have a safe vessel for this experience and I’m going to guide you through it.” It’s so cool when we can take these therapeutic skills and apply them to a new situation that oftentimes it’s not applied to.

[LaToya] Right. And I think it’s, because a lot of people still, I mean, as much as people come into the office for services, there’s still a big population that isn’t ready yet. So, I think too, like you said, if they’re not going to enter into that space, they could see it in this community, and they can see it unfold in front of their eyes and they can, and then we can teach them along the way. Like you mentioned, like this is exactly what this is and this is what’s going on right now. Like, it’s okay to empathize and feel with them. You know, you may not have experienced that right there, but you know how, you could say that sucks. Like, you know what I mean? I agree. Like that was painful and now I can connect with you. That’s what I want people to see and feel.

[JOE]: So, as this gets going and you’re in the mastermind group, maybe you take us to Slow Down School and what did that do for your big idea, for your practice, for kind of moving forward with these areas that already had some traction?

[LaToya] Yes, Slow Down School was amazing for me, because it allowed me, one to slow down. It put me in a space I’ve never been in in my life. I’ve never been in Northern Michigan and I never thought that I would be in Northern Michigan.

[JOE]: That’s a common reaction. I think that, I mean, I think that a lot of the folks from like California and Denver and the East coast, they’re like, “What am I doing here? Why am I on the beaches of Northern Michigan?”
[LaToya] Yes, it was fun. So just the idea of getting out of this bit of normalcy, the routine, but going around people that I’ve never met, and being in a place I’d never been in and just absolutely just relaxing and doing what I have never done. I’ve never, I don’t think I’ve ever gone hiking, not like that. And it was just beautiful. The scenery, was beautiful, making smores. I can’t recall a time in my life that I’ve made smores and those were really good. And I love Reese’s peanut butter cups. Yes, peanut butter cups are put [crosstalk]

[JOE]: Kit-Kat. I don’t know what other things; I just got a whole bunch of crazy things to put on there.

[LaToya] Yes, so I just loved getting out of the routine and doing something different. And so, just the ability to slow down and relax and then being around other people who had big ideas too. And that’s my personality. I get energized off of other creatives. I know they are counselors, but you know, people that want to do more and see more, just be creative. So that enthusiasm, that energy, like that excites me. And I want to hear what other people are doing and then I’m like, “Yes, like, you know, and now, I want to do it. I want to do mine too.” And so, I think the idea grew there and not just that, but for my practice, like I had so many ideas, leaving things I wanted to see, things I wanted to put together, things I’ve been working on, you know, since leaving there. And so that space just helped to spark, it helped to jumpstart, and it also helped to bring back some of the excitement that left through the pressure of running the business and being in routine. So, I made it that and I just, I love Slow Down School. It was good.

[JOE]: So, when you started working on the business, so you know, we have two days that we slow down, we go for hikes, yoga teacher comes in, we have massage, we have an awesome chef that’s there. So then Wednesday, Thursday and Friday we’re working on your business hardcore. By slowing down, what do you think that did to amplify the three days that we were working on your business?

[LaToya] It helped to clear my mind. So, I didn’t go, it’s not like going from meeting to meeting to meeting. It helped just to clear my mind so I can just think, and be at peace. And I can see the bigger picture, you know, sometimes like working hard, you get so narrowed down to details and think about one specific thing. But you know, the quieter I got, I was better able to hear, whether it be instruction from you, whether it be ideas from somebody else, and I was more open to new and to different things. Like having tried various new things in the first two days I was more open to different ideas that came instead of being like, “No, that’s not how I do it. Always do it like this. So that’s not what I was told. I was told this.” But once you just sit back and chill, you can hear better. It’s just greater clarity. And so, even to the point of being like antsy, like, “Okay, I want these, these work days to come down because now I feel like I’m ready.” Like I want to take off. So, it was exciting.

[JOE]: Well and I think part of it that works is that it is kind of this pent up excitement about working where, and I, you know, by me taking off Fridays and Mondays, every week, by the time I get to Tuesday, I’m just like, “I can’t wait to podcast. I can’t wait to create.” And it kind of helps me get pent up where the best stuff comes out first. And so, it’s interesting how, by now I think this is our fourth or fifth year doing Slow Down School, how we just see that over and over where kind of Monday, day one, people fly in on Sunday and then on Monday people are feeling a little antsy. Like, “Oh can I slow down?” And they kind of slowly getting into the hike but then like Tuesday morning people wake up and it’s just like their face are total sunshine. “I could live in this moment forever,” but then by Wednesday it’s amazing how it shifts to just run full tilt towards the business goals.

[LaToya] Yes, definitely. And you know what I love about Slow Down School, because have so many key takeaways. I don’t know if you’re going to ask me that next [crosstalk]. One that I use often is the 20-minutes sprint. Like I love that one. I love the idea of even if I’m sitting on my couch and I have an idea to go further with my big idea now, with my business, like getting quiet, you know, put my phone on silent and just going at it for 20 minutes. Matter of fact, last week I was having lunch somewhere and I was sitting at the table for the longest period of time. I’m drinking coffee and I told the server like, “Listen, you want me to pay it? I have to go back to my car, but I had to go get my journal so I can start writing for this. All of a sudden, I had this idea on it. I said, “I know I got to do this sprint now.”

[JOE]: That was awesome.

[LaToya] I went to the car, got the journal and I just, you know when harp like 20 minutes, but I just love that part; getting up, coming back in a circle. Okay, what’d you learn? And then just go right back at it. There’s so much to be said about that time, so much to be created when you just focus on an idea like there’s no right or wrong and you just pull out, you know.

[JOE]: And to see, I think part of it also is when you do three 20-minute sprints with just a short break in between them to kind of quickly debrief and get back into it. To say, how much did you just get done in 60 minutes in one hour? And people are saying, “Oh my gosh, it was weeks-worth of material I got done in an hour.” But then to say, “Well, why don’t you do that on a regular basis? Why is that not part of your habit if you know it works right now?” I think when that clicks that this, the Slow Down School’s not this one week and magical things just happen there, that it really is a springboard into other parts of your life and being able to get more done in a shorter period of time. That’s really the quality best use of your time rather than all the little things that steal our time away.

[LaToya] Yes. I like that.

[JOE]: So, who would you say shouldn’t come to Slow Down School and who would you say should come to Slow Down School?
[LaToya] I think, well, I think everybody should come, but it gets the people that, I think everybody should come, if you’re really set in like structure and this is the way I’m supposed to do it, you know what I mean? Like, I don’t know if that would be a good fit. Like somebody who like, “No, no, no. I have to follow this blueprint. They told me in grad school,” which I don’t think anybody talks about podcasting in grad school. I don’t think that that would be a good fit. I think the person who wants to do greater, the visionary, the dreamer, the person that just, the person that loves to think outside the box, doesn’t want to be stagnant. The person who constantly wants to evolve, that’s the person who has to be at Slow Down School. The person that wants to take their skills greater and isn’t okay with like status quo, like “I arrived at this level, all I ever wanted to see is 20 people and I’m content right here in this space.” That I don’t think that would be good fit.
But the person that says, “Listen, I had this skillset, I want to do greater. I want to do better. I know I can because I want to be of greater service to more people,” or the person who has a big idea but just doesn’t know how to make all the connections, or even the person who has these great ideas but really doesn’t have that circle of people to help them build and grow. And sometimes that’s the resource that we’re lacking. You know, we can have great support in certain areas of our life, but when it comes to that business support, that creative support, it can be missing. You know, and we can watch all the YouTube videos we want, but sometimes like being present and sitting amongst people that want to go where you want to go, I think that’s a greater experience.

[JOE]: Oh, such good advice for kind of the type of people that would be good fits and what they’d get out of it. LaToya, the last question I always ask people on the podcast is, if every private practice owner in the world were listening right now, what would you want them to know?

[LaToya] Ooh, that’s a good question. That’s a loaded question. Man, I’d want them to think bigger and to really think about where they want to see their practice going in the next five years, to think about the population they’re serving. Definitely don’t lose sight about why you started in the first place. So, not that it’s all about the dollar sign of the money, but think about why you started in the first place, where you want to go, and then think bigger on how to get there. Like you don’t have to go down this traditional path that’s been worn out, but like make your own way. And I think that’s where the greatest creativity comes when you’re like, “That road is just crowded. They’re moving slow.” Some people just sit down anyway, like, “I’m going to go this route.” And then when you begin to go that route and look and think outside the box, there’s so many ways, there’s so many possibilities to grow your practice and so many ways and so many different people you never thought you could reach by expanding your vision.

[JOE]: Oh, such good advice, LaToya. If people want to follow Strong Witness, if they want to kind of see more of your work, what’s the best way for them to connect with you?
[LaToya] Sure. I’m on Instagram. It’s @strongwitness1 and it’s the same thing on Facebook @strongwitness1. And then my business page is @LCSCAC on Facebook and then on Instagram is @LCS_counseling.

[JOE]: Awesome. Well thank you so much for being on the Practice of the Practice podcast.

[LaToya] Thank you for having me. This is good. I appreciate it.

[JOE]: Well, I just love doing this show and people like LaToya that are making a difference in their community in Fort Worth, but then also going after big ideas. It’s so fun to work with them and to help them get to that next level. I hope you had some really clear takeaways from this interview. I know that for me, seeing LaToya really kind of look at and evaluate things from different sides, has been so helpful in our mastermind group, as she’s supported other people that are in that group as well.
If you’re interested in one of our mastermind groups, if you’re interested in coming to Slow Down School, head on over to and I’ll jump on a call with you and really hear about kind of where you’re at and say, “You know, here’s where I’d spend my time and money.” And we have enough people applying for consulting, mastermind groups, Slow Down School, Killin’It Camp, all those things that we do.
We have more than enough people coming into those things that we really just want you to be in the right spot to get the best return on investment for your time and money. And I’ll tell you, I do it all the time where I say, “I know you want to do this, but it’s really not a good idea. I would wait until you’re at this level before you come back and do that.” And we have people that go, they hustle, they get things done, and they come back a year or two later and then they invest in consulting rather than maybe spending all that money on consulting on the front end, which could help and there’s nothing wrong with that, but to say, “What kind of ROI do you want? Let me honestly tell you if I think you can get that.” We’ll have that conversation if you apply.
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