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Joe Sanok 00:03:18  Sarah, welcome to the practice of the Practice Podcast.

Sarah Baldwin 00:03:22  Thank you so much for having me here, Joe, and thank you everyone for listening and tuning in.

Joe Sanok 00:03:27  Yeah. Well, when you entered into the field of counseling, were you thinking that this was like the work that you wanted to do, or did you kind of discover that along the way?

Sarah Baldwin 00:03:38  Yeah, for me, it was the work I knew very early on, and it's the work I wanted to do, and that came from my own lived experience I had. I have a complex trauma history, and I spent a lot of time, in my early 20s in, traditional Psychodynamic and talk therapy. And there was, of course, so much benefit to that. And it was truly, for me, the first place of experiencing a safe, secure attachment and container and all of those wonderful things that that come from it. And there were there were so many limitations in terms of healing the trauma that I experienced and and bringing resolution to that.

Sarah Baldwin 00:04:16  And of course, that means regulating of my nervous system and, and parts work and all of that. So anyway, I hit I hit a wall and and through just devouring so much information out there, I was just looking for any way that I could possibly find out of my to help me out of my experience, including chronic illness. I found somatic work, and it changed my life and changed my life in quite a rapid way, in a timeline that that was really, unexpected for me and, and and really opened up living, opened up the experience of being able to, to really be present to, to life itself. And so that's what then led me down the path of I want to help as many people as possible to also have that experience and really gain the, the take the intangible, because I think so much of the time the healing process is so much of it's invisible, as is trauma. And so to, to to the layperson, it can feel so elusive. And so for me, a part of, my practice, which years ago was an individual practice and then became the programs I do now.

Sarah Baldwin 00:05:29  it was really important to me to make it really tangible and, and practical for people. And so, so, yeah, my own lived experience led me down the path of, of of a career in Somatics.

Joe Sanok 00:05:45  now we're getting more and more, therapists, coaches, even just the average non-clinical person listening to this show. What terms? You know, as we talk about relationships and we talk about just the nervous system. Are there terms that we need to make sure that we just start with to be on the same page before we dig in? You know, like, I know what part's work is, but like, you know, maybe that's something, you know, therapists learned about in grad school ten years ago. are there things like that that you want to make sure that we're just on the same page before we dig into talking about regulating our nervous system to have better relationships.

Sarah Baldwin 00:06:20  For sure. So I'd love for us today to talk a little bit about the intersection of poly vagal theory, which covers an understanding of our nervous system, and I'll explain that in a moment.

Sarah Baldwin 00:06:30  So the intersection of that, the intersection of attachment theory. So how we relate to other beings and why we show up in relational containers the way that we do and then parts, and, and ifs is a wonder. Internal family systems is a wonderful, wonderful modality around parts. But of course inner child work is really the same thing. So just to. To first just give a quick introduction to each of those in case they're new to anyone, and then talk about the inter connectivity of all of them. So in terms of poly theory, this is really about our autonomic nervous system. Our autonomic nervous system is subcortical. So obviously that means below the cortical thinking brain and lives in our bodies. And the primary job of our autonomic nervous system is to keep us safe and alive at all costs. It's evolved, actually, for 500 million years to do that. The oldest branches, as I said, 500 million years old. A newer one is 300 are sympathetic nervous system. And then our ventral vagal complex is 200 million years old.

Sarah Baldwin 00:07:33  So it's a really wise system. And as I named, the number, number one job it has is to keep us safe and alive at all costs. Now, this nervous system, I think of it like a vehicle that we inhabit. And the thing is, you know, we learn so many things in our lifetime, So many things that are schooling. I think about learning trigonometry and calculus and about cumulus clouds and state flowers. And yet nobody taught me about or any of us of my age or older about the system that lives in our bodies that is responsible for our entire lived experience. So what we know now in neuroscience confirms for us is that our autonomic nervous system creates, at any given moment, every thought that we have. So thoughts are essentially symptoms of what's going on in our nervous system. Now just to to go backwards up for a moment, there are six states in our autonomic nervous system, three states of regulation and three states of dysregulation. Essentially, a state is a full lived experience.

Sarah Baldwin 00:08:36  So it's almost like being in a place or being in a country or a city. Everything around us is a result of what state we're in, in our entire experience. So there's only six of them. And regulation is what happens when our nervous system thinks we're safe. Dysregulation is what happens when our nervous system thinks we're in danger. So one of those six states is what we're all experiencing right now and at any given moment. And that state, as I just named, each state, has an entirely different flavoring of what life is like. So the thoughts are a result of the state. They'll be different depending on depending on the state we're in our our nervous system. All in states also create our feelings. So every feeling we have joy, aliveness, openness, curiosity, expansion or anxiety, worry, frustration, fear, terror, rage, apathy, hopelessness, feeling shut down, depression and dissociation all of those are a result of what state we're in. It also creates our sensations. So being open, energized, expanded, warm or rigid, tense racing heart butterflies in our stomach numb.

Sarah Baldwin 00:09:47  All of that is a result of our nervous system. This one's a real kicker. Every time I've said this 10,000 times. But it still surprises me or it excites me, is that our nervous system creates every behavior we have ever, ever had. So everything we've ever done or inhibited is the result of what's going on in our nervous system. It also creates our perception of self perception of others in the world around us. So literally our entire lived experience is the result of this nervous system. And if no one taught us about this, because certainly, again, it's not something that is public knowledge yet fully, what occurs is this vehicle that that we inhabit or inhabits us. If we don't understand it, it's as if we're thrown in the back seat and it it takes over on cruise control. I live in Los Angeles, and we have these self-driving cars now called Waymo cars. And, you know, you get in it and it drives itself. So if you don't understand your nervous system, that means you're not in the driver's seat of it.

Sarah Baldwin 00:10:45  Someone has to be in the driver's seat. And so if we aren't in the driver's seat, it throws us in the back seat. And then it makes choices and decisions for us based on what it thinks is safe. Now our nervous system has which lives in our midbrain. We all have this internal database or computer system, and that database has every lived experience we've ever had essentially inside of it. We don't have to remember that. like procedural memory, it's implicit memory. We don't have to remember it all procedurally. They're all inside of there. The good things, the bad things and the traumatizing things. And so the way the nervous system works is it has the autonomic nervous system is it has a, a front line of defense called neuro ception. Term coined by Stephen Porges. Neuro section. essentially is our threat detector. And the threat detectors job is to look out into the world or internally. That's called introspection, to see if we're safe or not. And it has three silos to decide.

Sarah Baldwin 00:11:43  Is that safe? Is that dangerous? Is that life threatening? And so the way that it decides is by resourcing or looking to this internal database or computer system. I mean, we are so exquisitely, well working in terms of our ability to evolve and survive. So the thing with the threat detector and the database is it doesn't look for identical matches necessarily. It just it picks up on flavourings of things. And so if it sees something in our current life, you know, it's every millisecond that's 1000 milliseconds in a second. So it's constantly looking out to the world and saying, is that safe, dangerous or life threatening? Is that safe, dangerous or life threatening? And it picks up on the most subtle cues. So I'll just give some quick examples. Let's say that, somebody gets a text from a friend that says, hey, do you have time to talk later? I just want to talk about, you know, something in our dynamic that's just been on my heart and I just want to have a conversation about it.

Sarah Baldwin 00:12:44  So it looks to the database and it says, okay, what information do I have on conflict or on, challenging conversations or confrontation? And it will quickly look to our entire lived experience. And let's say it looks to our childhood. And when arguments happened in my childhood or ruptures occurred, maybe love was withheld or I was harmed in a particular way or people left. So in that moment, my threat detector will say that's dangerous based on past lived experience. And so no longer is it only responding to my present day. It's responding to the past. And in that moment it says, okay, this isn't safe. So I need to use one of the three states of dysregulation in order to navigate this experience and ensure my survival. And so all of a sudden, I'm not seeing my loving, compassionate, safe, wonderful friend who's really understanding and doesn't withhold love and doesn't do all of those things. I'm seeing, let's say, my caregiver. And so all of a sudden in that moment, essentially like I've traveled time and I'm having the same autonomic response or felt sense in my nervous system that I had back then, and I might feel small and scared and out of control.

Sarah Baldwin 00:14:00  And I have the same behaviors arise of self-protection that I had back then in the present moment. And so this is this is how our nervous system functions and works all the time. And I, I say this a lot in working with people. I think of it like if this is a vehicle, there's roads of life in front of us. And so meaning options for us to take roads for us to go down. And let's say, you know, there are some roads that we really desire, like fulfillment in a relationship or embodying our calling fully, or adventuring or traveling more, or, calling in a partner that we deeply desire. And then there are these other roads, and I call them the roads of safety. And so these are roads that are nervous system is saying based on past experience, I think living this version of life is going to be safer because nothing about this reminds me of danger in the past. And so a lot of us are going down roads that aren't necessarily roads that that our truest self, soul, self, highest self, just self and ifs desire.

Sarah Baldwin 00:15:03  But they're the roads that our nervous system is picking for us because we're not in the driver's seat. And so, practically speaking, that looks like, you know, not starting that private practice, even though I feel really called to because it feels dangerous to take risks, to, to get things wrong, to ask for help, to be seen more. All of that, or in my relationships. I am not leaving something that really isn't serving me anymore because my nervous system is saying it's not safe to leave, or I'm not traveling in the way I want to in my life, or exploring in the way I want to. I'm living a smaller life than I feel called to, because that's what my nervous system thinks is safe. And these roads that I actually want to go down are more often than not. They have flavorings of things that were once dangerous or inhibited in the past. So let's say, for example, I want a relationship where I can have deep intimacy, where I can expose myself and lean on someone and let myself be fully seen.

Sarah Baldwin 00:16:04  And if those things weren't historically safe, my nervous system, this threat detector, and the whole autonomic nervous system is going to keep me from those things. And so I say this a lot, but nervous system regulation work is really the foundation of all healing. It's also the foundation of living the life that we are here to live. And if we don't understand the system, it is literally making choices for us based on what it thinks is safe. And so that's really foundational work. And then just to connect into this interconnectivity to attachment theory, attachment theory. There's so many great books on it, and yet at the same meaning how we relationally connect. Most of them are from a cognitive lens. Now, what we know to be true is the vehicle responsible for how we attach. So how we relate to other human beings is our autonomic nervous system. So, for example, what we know from Albee's work and Diane Heller's work, who's also, I think, a real pioneer in attachment theory work.

Sarah Baldwin 00:17:08  is that the, way that we relate to other human beings? The blueprint for that is laid in our earliest childhood experiences. So how we were related to I just want to go through here the connection or correlation between these two different subsets of mental health and healing and these different really modalities is that when we're born, we don't have the ability to self-regulate. So meaning our autonomic nervous system on its own is not able to come into regulation when in distress. Essentially meaning a baby who's in distress cannot regulate themselves. And I say this a lot, but the, like the cry it out method that was done for our, you know, my generation, our generation or older is really not effective at all. In fact, it creates deeper dysregulation because a baby, when in distress can't regulate itself. What it can do is go into a more extreme form of dysregulation, called its dorsal vagal complex, where we essentially leave our body or shut down. And so the baby might be quiet, but they're more catatonic.

Sarah Baldwin 00:18:11  They're not actually regulated. And so anyway, my point is we don't have the ability to self-regulate. We are entirely reliant on the adults around us, and they're nervous systems. And for most of us in a lot of people here didn't have like I had a very, very dangerous home, a lot of abuse, a lot of neglect. But a lot of people had wonderful, loving parents who didn't understand this. So they didn't have regulation in their own nervous system. And the result of that is a secure attachment becomes inhibited. So some of us had caregivers who know in our earliest childhood experiences, because of their own dysregulation in their nervous system, sent us the messaging, verbal and nonverbal messaging that as we are alone, we aren't okay by ourselves, essentially, so that there's a number of reasons why this transpires. But the caregivers on again, off again in their ability to attune with us, create safety and connection for us. Our nervous system becomes hyper focused on the other and says, I have to make sure you're okay in order for me to be okay, because if you're regulated, then I'm regulated.

Sarah Baldwin 00:19:17  And also from receiving verbal and nonverbal messages from caregivers that we aren't okay by ourselves. And this creates in this in many other reasons, creates something called an anxious attachment where I don't feel okay by myself. I don't know how to self-regulate. There's this experience of I need another person to be safe. So I'm going to be overly focused on the other person. I'm going to disregard my own needs, my own truth. I'm going to contort myself to become what I think you want me to be, in order to ensure the connection at all costs. And that's really love from survival, not love from choice. And here's the thing the vehicle responsible for creating that experience is the autonomic nervous system. We use this state are called our sympathetic nervous system for anxiously attached because that's mobilizing. So it's all about the doing. And I have a lot of anxiety and worry and frustration and and fear. And I have racing thoughts. And I just need to make sure that you're close to me. Because if you're close to me, I'm okay.

Sarah Baldwin 00:20:13  Now, just really quickly, if we have an avoidant attachment that's a result of having caregivers who were either neglectful or dangerous to us. Our nervous system learns that we have to go it alone because I can't regulate myself. And the other option is to be with this perpetual dysregulation. So we almost become an island and we resource something called our dorsal vagal complex, or state of shutdown, where apathy, hopelessness, depression lives, but also where we can be disconnected from our needs, our feelings, and the the the need or desire for connection. So the, the system we use is that state of shutdown. And so for us in our adult lives, I deeply want connection, but it feels overwhelming for me. So I met with this longing for it, but inability to step towards it or when a rupture occurs, I just shut down. All of that is occurring inside of my nervous system. That's the vehicle doing the relating. And then lastly, if I have a disorganized attachment, it's the result of caregivers who are sometimes safe, sometimes dangerous.

Sarah Baldwin 00:21:16  My system deeply desires connection as a primal human need met with the push away of it, because I don't know if you're going to be safe or not. And so I have people come close, but when they get close, I reflexively push him them away. All of that behavioral experience is informed by our nervous system, and we resource a state in our nervous system called freeze, which is a combination of equal parts are sympathetic nervous system in our state of shut down or dorsal vagal complex. You think of that like a deer in headlights. So the point that I'm trying to make here is that the system that is responsible for our relating is our autonomic nervous system. So that means if I'm not if I don't understand this system, if I'm not in the driver's seat of it, then that means that the system doing the relating in my relationships is not me. It's my nervous system. And the way it's deciding how to relate is through that database database or through that blueprint. And lastly here, in terms of parts work, when I have experiences in a relationship where I'm going to give a simple example here, actually from my own life, I because of all of the abuse and neglect that I experienced.

Sarah Baldwin 00:22:28  I had to really certainly go it alone in my life when I the experience as a child of deeply desiring to be chosen was wasn't met. So I learned to fortify in a way. And so when I got into an adult relationships, the romantic relationships, let's say there was a moment where something exciting was happening. I don't know, maybe in my work or something like that, I would say, okay, I want to tell you about this thing, which felt like a really big stretch for my system because historically speaking, that wasn't safe. So I might have a really loving partner. But when I go to share with them, let's say that they look down at their phone as I was sharing because it vibrated or something like that. You know, not a great thing to do, but they're not my my really, you know, I don't use this word lightly, but narcissistic mother or my very dangerous, abusive stepfather, they weren't he wasn't that or any partner I had. He just did some was very human and did something that maybe wasn't great.

Sarah Baldwin 00:23:21  We should have no phones in the room when we're sharing vulnerably. But to my threat detector. It looked to that experience and says, what Intel do we have on me being vulnerable and the person disconnecting? And it quickly looked to the database and said, this reminds me of childhood. And that was a really painful experience. We don't want you to have to experience that again. So in a millisecond this all happened. Subconsciously, it would bring me to my state of shutdown, and it was like there was a steel wall in front of me and I it was not letting him near me again. And the thoughts would, would come because the thoughts are created by the state where I would say things like, I don't trust you, I don't need you, I don't need anybody. And energetically I was not open for business at all and was saying, I'm not going to let you near me again because I don't want to be hurt like that. And in that moment, it's almost like adult us flies out the window.

Sarah Baldwin 00:24:15  So me that sees the present moment and is here and is capable and able and safe, leaves the building and whatever the threat detector was reminded of from my childhood, that numeric age or that part inhabits my system. Which is why in that moment, I wasn't actually in, you know, the year 2000, I was in the year 1986, and I wasn't here. And so I felt small and scared and out of control. I wasn't in Los Angeles, where I live. I was in New Hampshire in that really dangerous house. And that part was inhabiting my body. And that means the perception of the entire experience was through that part. And this is why so much of the time we're in relationships, and you might have moments where you feel like you've everything feels really clear and good, and then some kind of rupture occurs and all of that goes out the window and I don't feel like myself. And then I do things or say things or behave in a way that later I think, why did I do that or behave in this way? And this is all because of these three different, very important modalities that are all interconnected in how we experience our relational dynamics.

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Joe Sanok 00:26:41  Now, how do we, As that's happening? What are some practical things that, Whether it's with friends or with with a spouse or a partner? that we can do to, like, what are best practices in when we recognize that triggering happening.

Sarah Baldwin 00:26:58  so I would say, you know, the foundational thing here. before even getting to the trigger point, which I'll get to in just one second, is we really need to understand and gain control of our nervous system. So foundational and so important. And the more that we do that, the more we can really Understand in a felt sense way. What does it feel like when adult me is in my body? And what does it feel like when a part or a younger part is in my body? And a really simple practice that I invite when I'm working with people to do is. And by the way, we can't think our way into this. We have to experience it is either recalling a moment where we felt really regulated or really present, which could be like a moment in nature or a moment experience, an activity we love.

Sarah Baldwin 00:27:51  Or maybe in our work that can be a place where our adult self is really present when we're in flow. And I invite people to really feel into thematically, what does this feel like when adult me is here? What does it feel like? So notice the sensations, notice the feelings, and even write that down. Because this is almost like our encyclopedia or our Bible for understanding who's in the driver's seat of me. And then I even invite people to ask themselves from this lens because our nervous system creates our perception. Ask myself, okay, in terms of my romantic relationship, or even friendships or with colleagues, how do I perceive or view this person? What do I know is true about them from here? And I actually write those things down because this is our it's almost like our voice of clarity or our voice of truth. Here's what's actually true. And then when we get into, you know, an argument or a rupture, I really invite you to look at that list of sensations and feelings.

Sarah Baldwin 00:28:53  What's it like to be my body and what are the thoughts and what is the perception? And ask myself, is that who's in my body right now or is it someone else? And more often than not, it's someone else. Now, a lot of times it's the reason I ask people to do this is because a lot of times it's what are often called self like parts. So we can really think it's adult us. Like when I gave that example for myself. That part of me wasn't saying, seemingly illogical things. It felt, in the moment, really true and really logical. but the truth is, the the felt sense experience of me when I'm in me is there's a softness and an openness. There is not black and white, all or nothing. Rigidity, harshness energetically. that's not me. That's a protective part of me. And so the more that I could understand that, that that's our first catching point, like, okay, this isn't adult me. So based on that, I need to, in this moment, go get adult me back and regulate my nervous system before I come back to repair.

Sarah Baldwin 00:30:04  So, Deb, Dena is a friend and mentor of mine. she says this a lot. She says, years ago, when I met her with a bunch of clinicians, she was training us, and she said, if the clinician, therapist, practitioner, whatever is not in regulation, stop the session because there's no one here to help. And I know that's like a really tall order for helping professionals. She doesn't mean, of course, end the session altogether, but what she means is if if someone in the room is if there isn't someone who's in regulation, then there's nobody who can bring the other nervous system towards regulation. And so it means, hey, together, maybe we can do something in this moment to regulate our nervous system. Use some somatic tools now relationally on our in our personal lives. It does mean that if both parties are dysregulated, there is we are not going to be able to make our way back to connection or regulation, because in that moment, our nervous systems are both superimposing the past on the present, meaning seeing past relationships, past marriages, childhoods, putting them onto the other person.

Sarah Baldwin 00:31:09  And it's like we have swords out fighting each other. And so that's why a little argument can become a really big one if we try to continue to be in the the argument, from a place of dysregulation, it just escalates. So instead, what we want to do is have a rule relationally when when we're both triggered, we pause and we both go to regulate. And if you're more anxiously attached, you're going to probably want to go regulate with another human being or an animal even. but I need to go regulate. We both go regulate. And if you're avoidant, you know, I tend to pull away the job of the person who's avoidant is to say, can we come check back in in 20 minutes? Half hour. And we check back in and see are we more regulated now. And once we're both regulated. And I've looked at that checklist and I say, yep, adult me is back. I'm seeing my partner clearly now. Then we can repair. But that is really, really vital.

Sarah Baldwin 00:32:08  And the more that we can have an understanding of what is it like to be me? Versus what does it feel like to be those dysregulated self-protective parts? The more I'm actually in the driver's seat of my relationships and can have relationships that are filled with ease, rather than recapitulating the past and the present.

Joe Sanok 00:32:28  I love that. The last question I ask Sarah is if every private practitioner in the world were listening right now, what would you want them to know?

Sarah Baldwin 00:32:36  Two things. The first is, thank you for devoting your life to helping the world heal and helping human beings to, become who they have always been and come back into who they've always been and live the life they're here to live. I think it's one of the most heroic things that we can possibly do. And the importance of, you know, so many of us come into this work because we had a role in our lives of being a caretaker. And so just the importance of two things, of making sure that we're from a place of service, not sacrifice.

Sarah Baldwin 00:33:12  And that requires doing our own work to come into that. But that I am here to serve, not to serve at the, at the the detriment to me. And then lastly is the embodying of the work. The more that we embody the work, the more that we lay a trail, a path for others to walk down with us and beside us as we are helping. and so that embodiment of the work is just as important as, as the clinical work itself.

Joe Sanok 00:33:44  so awesome. And, Sarah, if people want to follow your work, if they want to learn more from you, where should we send them?

Sarah Baldwin 00:33:50  I have a lot of free resources. You can find me and my website, Sarah Baldwin coaching. Com. I have free, free quiz on the nervous system to understand what state you live in. Predominantly, I also have some free workbooks. And then, I have a podcast called You make sense? You can find that on Apple and Spotify or Instagram. Sarah be coaching is my handle.

Joe Sanok 00:34:12  So awesome. Thank you for being on the show.

Sarah Baldwin 00:34:14  Thank you so much for having me.

Joe Sanok 00:34:23  You know, I love that idea of, you know, how are we feeling in regards to our own regulation in a session, but then to also equate that to when we're when we're in a discussion or fight or frustrating moment with someone we love, whether that's a friend or a partner or a child, to just notice, like, is there an adult in the room? Or have we both regressed to, something that was triggering or something in our nervous system that we need to break? You know, I think to me, we hear, you know, take a break or, you know, the goblins might speak about that or, you know, other trainers. but to really think of it from a nervous system standpoint, do we need to get back into our, our brain that loves this person and that wants to go deeper? And what a great skill to teach our therapy clients and to be able to dig deeper and to to be able to.

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