Music & Mentality – Shift Your Emotional State with Susan Drumm | POP 805

A photo of Susan Drumm is captured. She is a CEO adviser and Leadership Coach. Susan is featured on the Practice of the Practice, a therapist podcast.

Are you stuck in a harmful emotional state? How can music help you to grow as a person? Which song might shift your mindset?

In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok interviews Susan Drumm about how music can help you shift your emotional state.

Podcast Sponsor: Noble

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Our friends at Noble have run their own clinics, worked with thousands of clients, and have seen firsthand the burnout and stress that can come with heavy caseloads, difficult topics, and a lack of time.

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This new CPT code, which is coming into play in January 2023, will allow you to make more money per hour and earn passive revenue. Noble’s system provides everything needed to reimburse:

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Meet Susan Drumm

A photo of Susan Drumm is captured. She is a CEO adviser and Leadership Coach. Susan is featured on the Practice of the Practice, a therapist podcast.

Susan Drumm is a CEO Advisor and Leadership Coach focused on helping leaders and their teams to develop the capacity and mindsets to lead in today’s disruptive environment. She has personally coached billionaire CEOs, prominent Fortune 50 executive teams, and incredible entrepreneurs that set out to disrupt the marketplace.
Her firm, Meritage Leadership, uses a cadre of over 15 seasoned coaches and consultants who work with senior leaders and executive teams. Susan is also the host of the podcast and YouTube channel The Enlightened Executive.

Visit Susan Drumm’s website and Meritage Effective Leadership.

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In This Podcast

  • Music & Mindset
  • We Use Music Literally and Figuratively
  • Finding Music to Shift Emotional States
  • Using Music to Grow Your Leadership
  • Susan Drumm’s Advice for Private Practitioners

Music & Mindset

At times we feel like we’re bumping our head against a ceiling, but what you’re bumping up against isn’t outside you, it’s inside you.

Susan Drumm

Music is a powerful way to transform your mindset. It has the ability to form and reinforce the neural pathways in the brain.

When we listen to music, almost every region of the brain is stimulated. This allows us to get in immediate touch with our emotional state.

If you find yourself stuck in an emotional state, and you want to shift it, the answer is music.

We Use Music Literally and Figuratively

The literal use of music is that it allows new neural pathways to form in the brain faster than they would otherwise.

However, you can also use music metaphorically. Music can be used to treat old childhood wounds that have come back to affect us as adults.

Some of the most common wounds, or statements [are] ‘I’m not good enough’ or ‘I’m excluded’, ‘I’m treated unfairly.

Susan Drumm

If you think of these old wounds as harmful self-beliefs which circle the brain like an old song, then listening to music can be used to create new neural pathways to help you shift the old emotional state.

What is the new experience that you want to have and what is the music that will help you shift state and help you to be in that space?

Susan Drumm

Finding Music to Shift Emotional States

First, you need to identify which emotional state you currently exhibit, and which state you want to have.

Try to identify one anchor song which you feel is strongly associative with your desired mental state. For example, use Taylor Swift’s Shake It Off to feel carefree and confident.

Next, create a playlist of songs that are also associated with that same emotion you want to have.

The brain likes variety, so if one song gets old, we want to shift it up and update the playlist.

Susan Drumm

Using Music to Grow Your Leadership

  1. Identify the thing that you want to shift in your life
  2. Notice where else in your life you have felt that same way
  3. See if there’s a song to match it – and use that song to build awareness about that emotion.

Susan Drumm’s Advice for Private Practitioners

In your practice, you will have ups and downs. Embrace the highs and the lows.

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Meet Joe Sanok

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Joe Sanok helps counselors to create thriving practices that are the envy of other counselors. He has helped counselors to grow their businesses by 50-500% and is proud of all the private practice owners that are growing their income, influence, and impact on the world. Click here to explore consulting with Joe.

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