Here at Practice of the Practice, we know growth isn’t just about getting bigger, it’s about building a practice and a life that actually work together.
This month, Joe Sanok shares what it takes to grow from solo practice to group success, while also going behind the scenes of building Great Lakes Online Counseling, from systems and onboarding to delegation and workflows. Emily Pagone turns the mic around on Joe to explore perfectionism, urgency, and the inner critic behind entrepreneurship.
We’re also talking burnout, sustainable growth, and designing practices that support your life with Ari Gootnick and Dr. Marie Fang. Brandon Shurn dives into intentional growth at the Group Practice Conference and discusses why legal protection matters with Logan M. Hartz.
And on the personal side, Jennifer Froemel explores “Invisible Woman Syndrome” and what happens when women begin reclaiming their voice, visibility, and sense of self.
Whether you’re scaling, simplifying, or redefining success, there’s something here for you.
Podcasts
Is your solo practice supporting your life, or limiting your potential? What would it take to grow beyond your own time and capacity? How do you scale into a group practice without losing control or burning out? In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok discusses how to go from solo practice to group success and shares his blueprints for therapists looking to grow.Building Great Lakes Online Counseling: Getting the Intake Process and Social Media Set-Up | POP 1377
How do you actually build a group practice from scratch? What systems should you set up before hiring your first clinician? And how can project management tools, delegation, and content systems make scaling your practice easier?
In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok and his assistant Jen discuss the practical side of launching Great Lakes Online Counseling, including building workflows, creating systems, onboarding clinicians, and organizing the operational side of a growing group practice.
Joe Sanok’s Inner Critic – with Emily Pagone | POP 1376
Is your sense of urgency actually helping you, or is it being driven by your inner critic? What happens when perfectionism becomes a way to hide pain instead of process it? As a business owner, how can you ensure you are spending your energy on the work you truly love? In this reverse podcast episode, Emily Pagone and Joe Sanok discuss how Joe deals with his inner critic.Group Practice Conference Part 1: Growing with Intention | GP 327
How much of your business growth comes from strategy, and how much comes from relationships? What does a “successful” practice actually look like for you? At what point does growing bigger stop aligning with the life you want? In this podcast episode, Brandon Shurn recaps his best moments from the Group Practice Conference | Part 1
Protecting Your Practice Before Legal Trouble Starts with Logan M. Hartz | GP 326
Could trying to “help” in a legal situation actually put your practice at risk? How prepared is your practice if a legal issue arises tomorrow? Why should you be proactive about legal protection for your private practice? In this podcast episode, Brandon Shurn discusses protecting your practice and why legal preparation shouldn’t be optional with Logan M. Hartz.
How does the “invisible woman syndrome” show up in midlife? Why do so many high-performing women suddenly feel unseen in the workplace? And what happens when women stop shrinking themselves and begin taking up space again?
In this podcast episode, Jennifer Froemel explores the emotional, social, and professional realities many women face in midlife as they navigate aging, visibility, workplace dynamics, and reclaiming their voice and power.
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- Email Joe at [email protected] to suggest guests for the show
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