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What keeps leaders stuck? Why should you first focus on your thoughts before trying to change your actions? How do you develop your own leadership?

In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok speaks with Kim Ades about how she is leading leaders.

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Meet Kim Ades

A photo of Kim Ades is featured. She is the President and Founder of Frame of Mind Coaching™ and Co-Founder of The Journal That Talks Back™. She is a personal development and executive coach. Kim is featured on the Practice of the Practice, a therapist podcast.

Kim Ades is the President and Founder of Frame of Mind Coaching™ and Co-Founder of The Journal That Talks Back™. She is a personal development and executive coach.

Frame of Mind Coaching™ delivers intimate, intense, and powerful Executive Coaching to highly driven leaders, executives, and entrepreneurs. They help their clients experience personal and professional transformation at record-breaking speed.

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In this Podcast

  • What’s standing in the way of leaders getting better
  • How leaders can address these four issues
  • The two important aspects of resilient leadership
  • How to launch skills outside of your practice
  • Kim’s advice to private practitioners

What’s standing in the way of leaders getting better

Kim explains that throughout her years of coaching leaders, she’s identified four areas that they commonly struggle with:

  • Isolation: leaders that don’t have a supportive professional community that they are part of, or that don’t share the responsibility with a management team.
They’re not able to express what’s going on for them and so they hold a lot in. That sense of isolation is a problem. (Kim Ades)
  • Fixed mindsets: many leaders approach the world with a fixed mindset or ideology which can create a lot of problems for them.
Leaders that have a very specific ideology or a specific way that they think things should be done, and this creates a lot of tension for them in their environment … It creates interpersonal tension, conflict.  (Kim Ades)

There might be arguments or disagreements, but often the tension is held internally or silently.

  • Overly high standards: high-achieving leaders sometimes look at their achievements and discredit them because they believe things could always “be better”.
They are never satisfied and have a sense of chronic dissatisfaction with themselves, the world around them, the people who work for them, etc. (Kim Ades)
  • Slippage: where leaders struggle with basic things that slip through the cracks and shake the whole foundation, like their health, their mental well-being, their family, or their friends.

How leaders can address these four issues

Kim coaches leaders to critically examine their relationship with the way that they think about the world, and the outcomes that they get from that mindset.

Every single human has blind spots, and what we want to do is try to illuminate those blindspots so that they can see their patterns of behavior … And how some of those are simply not aligned with the outcomes they are seeking. (Kim Ades)

Most leaders don’t have much patience because they want to see results quickly. So, Kim and her team have created an intense and quick coaching experience where they front-load the first 10 weeks of coaching, with recordings, so that clients can start to observe themselves.

Additionally, Kim’s approach encourages the clients – the leaders – to journal with their coaches every single day.

The two important aspects of resilient leadership

1 – Self-awareness:

  • Are you doing your own work?
  • Are you looking at and thinking about your thoughts?
  • Are you examining the way that you approach and access your resources?
  • Are you paying attention to what you are focusing on, the problem or the solution?

2 – Working with a coach:

  • Strong leaders work better when they have a coach or a leader to work alongside
  • Leaders work best when they are committed to developing themselves with the support and guidance of other leaders
  • Commit to learning how to be self-aware so that habits can be built from the right behaviors to put you on your best path forward
What I really encourage leaders to contemplate is, “How can I think differently?” How am I thinking about this problem, and how is my thinking actually the cause of the problem? It’s a radically different approach [to just doing something differently]. (Kim Ades)

How to launch skills outside of your practice

Kim asks you two questions: “What do you want people to learn, or to experience?”

  • What does the program look like, how will the client get from point A to point B?
  • With coaching – unlike therapy – the coach must provide a process for the client to go through instead of waiting for the client to lead the way.

“How do you get clients?”

  • What can you present, and where can you present that to attract clients?
  • Which industries are hosting events or conferences that would love to have your topic presented?
  • What will people learn from your presentation?

Kim’s advice to private practitioners

You can acquire more data about your client, and that is by doing things like implementing journaling because it is a game-changer.

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Meet Joe Sanok

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Joe Sanok helps counselors to create thriving practices that are the envy of other counselors. He has helped counselors to grow their businesses by 50-500% and is proud of all the private practice owners who are growing their income, influence, and impact on the world. Click here to explore consulting with Joe.

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